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How does Anthony Lewandowski being pardoned advance any public good? I would argue it does the exact opposite.
I guess it kind of "sticks it" to Google, who Trump thinks is "so biased toward the Dems it is ridiculous!" I have no idea if there is such a thing as a "revenge pardon", but I guess it's a thing now. (Incidentally, I wanted to use an exact Trump quote in that first paragraph, and I found it here: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/19/upshot/trump-... )
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Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned
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A pardon requires delivery and acceptance. (Actually, I think delivery is incomplete without acceptance.) Theoretically an incoming president could recall the pardon if it hasn't been delivered. Not sure what may constitute as delivery; or acceptance, for that matter. I don't think the manner of delivery or acceptance has been tested, let alone enumerated. If it's as simple as a phone call, then presumably nothing co…
There was an even more interesting question raised on r/NeutralPolitics about whether the pardon has to even be made public. It seems there's an interpretation of the law where the pardon only becomes public when the recipient makes use of it in a public court.
Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned
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Not only this, but Mr. Levandowski has made it clear he thinks his car failing to cause the first self-driving fatality would mean they were behind . The man believes manslaughter is the cost of doing business for innovation. He should be in prison for much more than he got.
The first death in a powered airplane was where one of the Wrights crashed carrying a passenger, and he died. Should the airplane have never been invented and the Wrights jailed for trying?
Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned
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Yeah, context is key. We played a game as kids where if you looked at one of us with the ok sign, the one doing the sign got to punch you in the arm. It was joke. Even though this new origin is a bit of the tail wagging the dog (it started as a joke on 4chan), the ok sign has taken on the meaning of a white power sign in certain situations. Unfortunately, people have trawled old pics and attacked people for using nor…
> the ok sign has taken on the meaning of a white power sign in certain situations. >> When done when posing with Steve Bannon it probably means white power sign. When a no-kidding, self-admitted, non-LARPing, Stormfront-reading, Klan- or Nazi-party member says "Yeah we've been using the OK symbol for years" then I'll believe it. But all I've ever seen about this is leftists of a certain type asserting that it's true…
Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned
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... or maybe they are competent and knows how to advance the public good.
ah yes, so much public good comes from rich people being allowed to commit crime.
Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned
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... or maybe they are competent and knows how to advance the public good.
> ... or maybe they are competent and knows how to advance the public good. I think corrupt is the right word.
If highly positioned people in the industry asks to have his competence back on the market, maybe it's the best if the president just listens
He was sentenced to 18 months and served 6. Wouldn't he be out on good behaviour after 9 months anyways?
Are you sure you are not just knee-jerking here?
Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned
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Yeah, context is key. We played a game as kids where if you looked at one of us with the ok sign, the one doing the sign got to punch you in the arm. It was joke. Even though this new origin is a bit of the tail wagging the dog (it started as a joke on 4chan), the ok sign has taken on the meaning of a white power sign in certain situations. Unfortunately, people have trawled old pics and attacked people for using nor…
Wow, that game seems to be surprisingly common! It was played on my school in Munich, Germany. The rules were: if you look through the loop, you are punched in the upper arm. The puncher has to draw a bull's eye first, then punch, then the recipient must say "thank you" and the puncher must reply "you're welcome" (of course in German, i.e. bitte, danke). Any deviation from the rules is punished by a punch, to be admi…
Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned
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These are such weird arguments. The origins are irrelevant because it wasn't just a trick pulled on normies; white supremacists also fell for the joke. Once they started genuinely using the gesture it did become a symbol of hate. The Wikipedia article you linked says exactly that a few paragraphs below the paragraph you quoted.
> white supremacists also fell for the joke. Once they started genuinely using the gesture it did become a symbol of hate. [citation needed]
The Christchurch shooter, whilst likely in on the "joke", made the gesture in court. At that point, the difference between it being a joke made by a white supremacist, or a symbol of white supremacism evaporates. It is a symbol used by a white supremacist, therefore it is a white supremacist symbol.
Context matters of course, but I don't feel you can truly deny it has taken on meaning outside of the original joke
Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned
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The "ok" hand sign isn't a white power sign just because some people have decided it to be. It's meant ok since as long as anyone can remember. I'm not willing to accept I can't say okay now because some liberal thinkers have decided that that's now become racist. People need to lighten up a bit and not make everything an affront.
You could use the exact same argument for the swastika. The swastika became the symbol of nazism because the nazis decided it to be. It was a religious symbol for thousands of years at that point. The key is to use context. A swastika on a temple that's older than nazism? Yeah, not a nazi symbol. A swastika on a flag at a right-wing protest in America in 2020? Probably not a religious symbol.
What about an Indian student with a swastika tatoo passing by a right-wing protest? Is it a religious or political symbol then?
Re: Anthony Levandowski Pardoned
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...is a Presidential pardon final come the next Administration? Or has that not really been tested in court?
There's a short from Legal Eagle about it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9IRZ9FzWEA There's also a difference between state and federal charges - even if they've been pardoned, they can still be charged for related crimes.
As you said, though it's not clear, it need to be a different (though potentially related) crime.