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Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by PhantomGremlin »

system2 wrote: post #21
echelon wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This regime is no joke. We need to offer Hong Kong and Chinese citizens a fast and easy path to citizenship in the West. If we do not brain drain China, rehabilitate our manufacturing capability, and prevent the CCP's rise to global dominance, we'll all have our liberties threatened. It could start with an offer to Jack Ma. Offer for him to move to SF or Miami. Watch for the "ha, ha, no thanks", but see the impact it…

>easy path to citizenship in the West Since when the U.S. providing free citizenships to the countries in need of help?

Since when the U.S. providing free citizenships to the countries in need of help?

Since its inception. It may not be immediately apparent, but immigration to the USA was routine in its history and is still very common now.

For example in the late 1970s we accepted refugees from Vietnam: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_boat_people

In the early 1980s we granted citizenship to illegal aliens: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control... and new President Biden wants to do it again.

In the 1990s we allowed many Somalis to immigrate here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_American

There are countless more examples, old and recent.

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by Razengan »

dang wrote: post #143
prox wrote: post #128

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I wonder why you’re being downvoted. Is it because it’s so accurate that it hurts or because it’s not?

Please don't break the site guidelines like this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

How appropriate, people being told to shut up on a post about people being made to shut up.

Dammit dang, downvote abuse is a real issue.

The very fact that people keep bringing this up should clue you in. Once or twice, okay maybe it's the complainer's perception that's wrong, but again and again, for over a year? Then your damn system has a problem.

The least you could do to address it is not let downvotes instantly affect a comment's visibility. Fucking delay it for a few hours to allow everyone at least a chance to be seen.

Why is that so painfully hard for you to do? Did you lose the source code or can't find another Malbolge maintainer to take over?

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by Bombthecat »

sebmellen wrote: post #5

> In the 50-second video, Ma, dressed in a navy pullover, spoke directly to the camera from a room with grey marble walls and a striped carpet. It was not clear from the video or the Tianmu News article where he was speaking from. Uh, resurfacing from a fancy prison cell, perhaps? Can anyone find the video? EDIT: Here's the raw video: https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/13517514568277196... . If you watch his…

Jesus, somehow, this looks terrifying.

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by danpalmer »

karmasimida wrote: post #217

So HN is now the hot bed for aspiring conspiracists? If applying Occam's Razor, maybe the most likely guess is ... he is not jailed?

One could also apply this the other way around – when the "disappearance" started getting news coverage, why not just pop up to say hi? Did he really miss all that news coverage about his own disappearance? Occam's razor might suggest there's a reason why he didn't.

My guess, applying this both ways, is that he's been ill or having some treatment or been in hospital, and that perhaps if it was bad, the calculation came out that disappearance rumours were better than "Jack Ma on his death bed" stories.

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Post by Veen »

echelon wrote: post #14
sebmellen wrote: post #5

> In the 50-second video, Ma, dressed in a navy pullover, spoke directly to the camera from a room with grey marble walls and a striped carpet. It was not clear from the video or the Tianmu News article where he was speaking from. Uh, resurfacing from a fancy prison cell, perhaps? Can anyone find the video? EDIT: Here's the raw video: https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/13517514568277196... . If you watch his…

This regime is no joke. We need to offer Hong Kong and Chinese citizens a fast and easy path to citizenship in the West. If we do not brain drain China, rehabilitate our manufacturing capability, and prevent the CCP's rise to global dominance, we'll all have our liberties threatened. It could start with an offer to Jack Ma. Offer for him to move to SF or Miami. Watch for the "ha, ha, no thanks", but see the impact it…

We (the UK) have already created a fast and easy path to citizenship for BNO citizens in Hong Kong. I don't think it's practical or desirable to do the same for the 1.4 billion citizens of the PRC though.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/home-secretary-announces-...

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Post by kristofferR »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #38
throwaway88098 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the best answer I've seen. HN however is not a place for unpopular (and true) insights. It'll be downvoted to oblivion.

I know. But I'm way past the point of being scared of that, or even caring. As a Chinese person I was scared of being lynched by the mob for speaking up (ironic isn't it, this is the so-called "free society" but apparently it only applies when you agree with the mob), but now I just think the truth must come out, and someone must push back against this insane, evidence-free anti-China hysteria. Notice that I'm not ev…

China does play the part of cartoon villain perfectly themselves.

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by kristofferR »

ncann wrote: post #42
FooBarWidget wrote: post #20

In the last Hacker News thread, people were so sure that the government jailed him for criticizing the party. Even though there was no evidence of such, people just assumed it MUST be true because the CCP MUST be evil. And before Jack Ma "disappeared", people were worried about Jack Ma and Ant Group being a national security threat, because of his ties with CCP. Because "CCP evil". No matter the facts, people just co…

There is a very obvious anti-China sentiment on Reddit, where you barely see any post with good news about China, where any news coming out of China is seen as CCP propaganda, and pro-China comments are downvoted and accused of being shills for the CCP. I'm disappointed to see the same trend on HN, even if it's not as bad.

You reap what you sow.

When you employ propaganda on a massive scale nobody who knows about it is ever going to take your words seriously again, even if you are actually speaking the truth in that instance. The existance of the 50 Cent Army makes every positive comment about China dubiuos.

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by byw »

sebmellen wrote: post #181
FooBarWidget wrote: post #179

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Thanks for your perspective. I don't deny that China has many problems. But on the topic of truth , some accusations against China are false. Are you willing to discuss them?

Surely! I sent you a message on Keybase.

Sorry to go on a tangent, but gotta say, I'm impressed by the level of civility in the thread, and on this topic in particular. It's a rare sight in these troubled times.

I am kinda interested in the reading the discussion further though. But of course if you feel more comfortable taking it private I'd understand.

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by Chris2048 »

hungryhobo wrote: post #126
yongjik wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In the last Hacker News thread, people were so sure that the government jailed him for criticizing the party. Even though there was no evidence of such, people just assumed it MUST be true because the CCP MUST be evil. That's because in any other moderately functioning country, it takes at most a few phone calls by journalists to clarify the matter: "Excuse me, billionaire Mr. X hasn't been seen for days. Could you…

i mean that's the point isn't it, in all the news about jack ma's disappearance, has any journalist tried to clarify the matter? NO, it's all speculation and journalists trying to create a narrative. So, jack ma has only disappeared in this magical world created by western media.

> has any journalist tried to clarify the matter? NO

So, do you think no journalist in the world has tried to clarify the matter; or no journalist in the world is able to clarify the matter?

> jack ma has only disappeared in this magical world created by western media

ok, so what does the world of Eastern/Chinese media say?

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