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"Following orders" isn't a get-out-of-jail-free card. If LE didn't speak out, they are co-conspirators.
Well, "following orders" can absolutely be a get-out-of-jail-free card when the orders come from the person in charge of handing out get-out-of-jail-free cards.
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I think you got me confused with someone else. I don't have any other comments in this thread. How can you honestly say "Imagine trying to paint being against political violence as a partisan issue." while doing absolutely everything you can to minimize and excuse left-wing violence?
You read my comment before you replied right? You completely dodged the one thing that is actually asked of the reader and tried to jump over the fact this entire thread is based on insinuating an abject lie: that anyone downplayed the George Floyd protests or what happened on Pennsylvania Avenue in any way. - And how is saying that a successful breach of the Capitol Building while congress was trying to certify a ne…
It was planned for months, openly on Facebook in plain view of everybody. Remember that when politicians call for more intrusive surveillance in response.
Yeah, it's weird that the discussion has centered around censorship, rather than like... why didn't law enforcement shut this down sooner? Or at least properly prepare for it?
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No, I don’t believe everyone who disagrees with me is a nazi. However, if I see a group of people displaying actual nazi sentiments then I will assume that all the group are either actual nazis or cool with being associated with nazis. Remember, the OG antifa were on the beaches at Normandy.
Who, that little group or 70 million Americans? What are we talking about here.
But if you want to paint the viewpoints of the entire 70-million with that kind of hatred, that's on you, not me.
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> they can deeply understand an ideology Looking at what motivated most of the Capitol insurrectionists does not support this claim. They are seemingly unable to distinguish reality from obvious propaganda or wild conspiracy theories.
They are not terrorists mostly naive fools.
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You mean the fictitious boogeyman "group" that not one member has ever been identified and the movement for black rights that was widely brutalized by the police? I suppose not, seeing as one is a fantasy and the other clearly had the police paying attention to their plans. Besides, neither has attempted a coup to overturn an election so it's not really the same is it?
Do you honestly believe that Antifa is not real?
I had a thought that came about as a result of this post and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25836503 both being on the HN front page at around roughly the same time I perused HN. The thought is: why is GitHub so fast at taking down a potentially infringing code repository in response to a DMCA request but Google, Facebook, Twitter et al. so slow at taking down violence-promoting content?
Facebook will suffer no real consequences, and everyone will forget about their newfound moral position that censorship is for the greater good of society and continue to use Facebook.
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Yeah "we need to break all encryption to catch people planning terrorism in Facebook groups, e-mail, and unencrypted SMS..." Most terrorists are idiots because most people who are not idiots are not terrorists.
There have been plenty of extremely well organised, sophisticated and technically competent terrorists. The IRA, the Red Amy Faction, the PLO and Black September, Al Qaeda. Aside from 9/11 none of them have operated successfully in the US and your domestic terrorism has mainly been perpetrated by individuals or very small one off groups of just 2 or 3.
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Yeah, it's weird that the discussion has centered around censorship, rather than like... why didn't law enforcement shut this down sooner? Or at least properly prepare for it?
Far-right terrorism in the US has never really been taken seriously. No one took them seriously. Until the Capitol was attacked. The Feds are starting to roll up high ranking militia members, so hopefully they learned their lesson this time.
"Cliven Bundy and sons cleared in case of 2014 armed standoff, a major defeat for the federal government that critics fear will empower far-right militia groups"
[1]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/08/bundy-family...
It was planned for months, openly on Facebook in plain view of everybody. Remember that when politicians call for more intrusive surveillance in response.
Yeah, it's weird that the discussion has centered around censorship, rather than like... why didn't law enforcement shut this down sooner? Or at least properly prepare for it?
Democrats are seizing upon the opportunity created by this incident to permanently silence their opposition and attempt to cement long-term political power. A former Facebook official has even publicly suggested that cable companies banish conservative news networks, and that Facebook and YouTube expel conservative influencers from their platforms, in reaction to the incident [2].
Attempting to silence and ostracize vast swaths of the population seems like it might backfire in pretty dramatic fashion. Even Jack Dorsey acknowledged that we had entered into dangerous territory when Twitter blocked Trump and the rest of big tech killed Parler, and he seemed to suggest that the only long-term solution was decentralized social media [3] (something I have been saying since they did this).
In any event, we are certainly in for a wild ride over the next few years. American society is cracking at the seams, and our “leaders” and financially-incentivized media companies seem to be actively encouraging it.
[1] https://www.oecd.org/agriculture/never-waste-a-good-water-cr...
[2] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/former-facebook-offic...
[3] https://twitter.com/jack/status/1349510769268850690?s=21