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Post by multjoy »

trident5000 wrote: post #256
multjoy wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone who thinks that the holocaust didn’t go far enough is, literally, a nazi. The fact that this is something you’re in a state of active denial about is a ‘you’ problem, not a ‘me’ problem.

Talking about some remote person or group of people and pretending it represents a nonexistent large population is insanity. There have always been fringe groups on both sides. The issue at hand is you have no perspective after being gaslit and think everyone you disagree with is a "nazi".

No, I don’t believe everyone who disagrees with me is a nazi. However, if I see a group of people displaying actual nazi sentiments then I will assume that all the group are either actual nazis or cool with being associated with nazis.

Remember, the OG antifa were on the beaches at Normandy.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by throw-239582woh »

alwaysdoit wrote: post #138
stretchcat wrote: post #78

It was planned for months, openly on Facebook in plain view of everybody. Remember that when politicians call for more intrusive surveillance in response.

Yeah, it's weird that the discussion has centered around censorship, rather than like... why didn't law enforcement shut this down sooner? Or at least properly prepare for it?

A few possibilities:

- Overcorrection: law enforcement had come under fire for using excessive force against protests and they erred on the other side.

- Conspiracy: the security state is firmly under the control of the pro-Trump faction, who (incorrectly) thought they could make Trump president for life once the Q Shaman took the Senate.

- Conspiracy: the security state is firmly under the control of the anti-Trump faction, who (correctly) thought that letting the protest go too far would be politically devastating for their enemies, and would provide the hook for passing new security laws.

- Incompetence: America can't protect its capitol for the same reason it can't distribute a vaccine, build railways or put a man on the moon.

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Post by JMTQp8lwXL »

e40 wrote: post #268
JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #13

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I'm sure public support for removing Facebook from app stores wouldn't be too different than Parler. If we are principled people, and FB is failing to moderate, then any reasonable person who supported Parler's removal would support Facebook's. What would be different between the two decisions is the sheer magnitude of money on the line, in the case of Facebook's removal -- in capital markets, in employment, etc.

A coworker has a lot of conservative friends. All of them were banned from FB until the 23rd. Even her daughter, who has never written any posts supporting DJT, but liked a few posts, was banned for the same time frame. I've read absolutely nothing about this in the news. She even shared a screenshot one of her friends shared with her. It said: "Your account is restricted right now. You're temporarily restricted from…

A news report on this would be interesting to see to get all the facts. I am not familiar with this.

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Post by jpollock »

entropea wrote: post #149
lqet wrote: post #79

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Phones don't broadcast. A small group of agitators could have used a pirate radio station to call for an attack on the capitol 50 years ago and reach millions of people, which is exactly why pirate radio stations are illegal.

Pirate Radio stations & new LPFM are primarily illegal because Clear Channel/iHeartRadio cannot profit & control the flow of information as well as they do when they have competition. The things Clear Channel hosts, especially on AM, are not even very much different from calling for an attack on the Capitol, having listened to 20+ years (unfortunately) of Rush Limbaugh my grandfather was listening to. You can contact…

Pirate Radio stations are illegal because when it was more of a free-for-all, people would transmit at megawatt power.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_R._Brinkley

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Post by felistoria »

j_walter wrote: post #260
Pfhreak wrote: post #216

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Of course not. But institutions matter, and shutting down a governing body through threats of violence has consequences far beyond just the immediate politician's lives.

Shutting down a judicial governing body through nightly attacks for month should also have consequences...but it didn't. I literally watched it happen for months on end with little repercussions by local law enforcement (because they were restricted by the mayor). What happens when you take over multiple city blocks for a few weeks and don't allow any government agencies to do their jobs? That should also have reprec…

Don't forget trying to torch the justice building with people in it. Or throwing burning stuff into Ted Wheeler's apartment building where many other people lived.

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Post by mooseburger »

tareqak wrote: post #139
Red_Tarsius wrote: post #112

>The Capitol Attack Where was this rhetoric when Antifa and BLM burned and looted for months with the blessings of all corporations and the mainstream media? Surely the Capitol Hill has an insurance policy? Or does that moronic point only apply to the common folk? Susan Rosenberg literally bombed the Capitol in 1983 and now serves as vice chair of the board of directors of Thousand Currents, a " non-profit foundation…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg > Rosenberg was sentenced to 58 years' imprisonment on the weapons and explosives charges. She spent 16 years in prison, during which she became a poet, author, and AIDS activist. Her sentence was commuted to time served by President Bill Clinton on January 20, 2001,[5] his final day in office.[6][7] She was charged, served some of her time (16 years of 58 years is 27.586…

Doesn't appear to be a pardon, which involves the conviction being expunged. Commuting a sentence means more like "you have been punished enough, but we were right to punish you". A pardon is "we were wrong to punish you".

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Post by bananabreakfast »

chmod600 wrote: post #239
ardy42 wrote: post #49

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> Moral of story: FB and Twitter can do whatever they want, because they have more baby pictures. Any new social network has fewer baby pictures, and therefore can be held to a higher standard, to the point that it will be obliterated before it has a real chance to compete. Eh, not really. You're forgetting the other half of the equation: Parler's niche was the stuff Facebook and Twitter had either banned or discoura…

That doesn't seem to help your argument: it means that people deplatformed from FB/Twitter should also be deplatformed everywhere else, which doesn't sound like a great policy for freedom of speech or fostering a competitive marketplace. There was a very real chance that Parler could have attracted a lot of mainstream people. Maybe the 70M people who voted for Trump would have gone there, and started posting baby pic…

People deplatformed from facebook and twitter were deplatformed for a good reason. So yes, they should be deplatformed everywhere else.

And this policy works just fine with freedom of speech, seeing as hate speech, threats of violence and insurrection are not covered by the 1st amendment, which doesn't even govern these companies anyway.

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Post by chillingeffect »

_-david-_ wrote: post #251
dylan-m wrote: post #137

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- The BLM movement is, while poorly framed and easily co-opted by other people, about genuine problems with policing in the United States. Problems that are backed up with verifiable facts rather than scummy used car salesmen and the Inventor of Email™. - The BLM movement, while the source of many large large scale protests (several of which turned into riots and outstayed their welcome) never, at any point, even pre…

A couple cops were killed by blm rioters. Sure they weren't capital police but they were still police. ACAB was all over Facebook and Twitter which at a minimum raised the temperature and hatred towards cops.

It's also easy to look at the summer's riots and forget that it was a mixture of peaceful protestors and violent antagonists. Until we have some convictions with evidence in court, we can't say BLM'ers killed cops.

and to your 2nd point, I don't think it was ppl saying ACAB that raised the temperature and hatred towards cops. It was the cops killing innocent black people.

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Post by boomboomsubban »

jstarfish wrote: post #59
jnwatson wrote: post #34

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The same argument was made for Backpage. Only a small percentage of overall transactions were related to prostitution. The founder ended up in jail regardless.

What torpedoed him was the money laundering.

The "money laundering" was based on accepting prostitution ads I believe.

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Post by g8oz »

_-david-_ wrote: post #251
dylan-m wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- The BLM movement is, while poorly framed and easily co-opted by other people, about genuine problems with policing in the United States. Problems that are backed up with verifiable facts rather than scummy used car salesmen and the Inventor of Email™. - The BLM movement, while the source of many large large scale protests (several of which turned into riots and outstayed their welcome) never, at any point, even pre…

A couple cops were killed by blm rioters. Sure they weren't capital police but they were still police. ACAB was all over Facebook and Twitter which at a minimum raised the temperature and hatred towards cops.

Do you have links? I only heard about the Boogaloo right wing extremists using the cover of the protests to kill police in Oakland and Santa Cruz.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_boogaloo_killings

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