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Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by exmicrosoldier »

Red_Tarsius wrote: post #112

>The Capitol Attack Where was this rhetoric when Antifa and BLM burned and looted for months with the blessings of all corporations and the mainstream media? Surely the Capitol Hill has an insurance policy? Or does that moronic point only apply to the common folk? Susan Rosenberg literally bombed the Capitol in 1983 and now serves as vice chair of the board of directors of Thousand Currents, a " non-profit foundation…

Thank you for the first legitimate critique of the Black Lives Matter organization that I've seen.

I don't think it invalidates all of the points of the platform of BLM, but it does make me question the sanity and legitimacy of the organization's leadership.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by klmadfejno »

trident5000 wrote: post #146
_r0fz wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

idk how to tell you this in a way you'll listen to but doing things for good reasons is good and doing them for bad reasons is bad.

You do realize that everyone has their own opinion on what is good and bad right? I cant believe how naive this statement is.

Golly it's just so hard to know who to trust. The crowds protesting racial injustice and police brutality? Or the literal, self identifying nazis, white supremacists, and cultish conspiracy theorists trying to kill political leaders.

Alas our moral non cognizance in a post modern perspective.

edit: to the below, really, no. There's no hyperbole. If your group features nazis, and your group is not making every effort to expel associations with said nazis, your group is, at best, nazi adjacent. Nazis are the hyperbolic euphemism of peak historical immorality. It is preposterous that anyone feels they're making a good faith argument throwing whatabout comparisons when the starting point is nazis.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by usefulcat »

Simulacra wrote: post #3

I'm not sure I believe this. If it was months in the making on Facebook, why did Facebook not do more to stop it? Reading this it actually gives weight that Facebook was just as responsible for the insurrection as Parler.

> If it was months in the making on Facebook, why did Facebook not do more to stop it?

Two things:

1) If FB is seen to lean too far either left or right, it will create an opportunity for a competitor to emerge on the other side. FB is huge, so they have a lot to lose in that scenario.

2) They literally profit from the circulation of the very stuff that some would have them sensor.

I don't see what is even slightly surprising about they way they've handled this.

Edit: side note - I personally think #1 is likely at some point in the future. People have already gone a fair way towards segregating themselves into various social/political bubbles; why not even more self-segregation? If enough people want that, then either FB will enable it or a competitor will emerge to enable it.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by pageandrew »

ryandrake wrote: post #62
pageandrew wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At what content share threshold should an app be taken off of the App Stores for hosting objectionable content?

That’s a great question for these app stores. How much nazi content and calls to violently overthrow the government is too much to be allowed on the app store? Kind of like asking the FDA how much arsenic should be allowed in my Cheerios. I’d like to see what their idea of the right threshold is.

Is the implication that one instance of objectionable content is enough to warrant deplatforming of the site? That seems like a really easy way for one competitor to take out another.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by RobRivera »

_r0fz wrote: post #121
Red_Tarsius wrote: post #112

>The Capitol Attack Where was this rhetoric when Antifa and BLM burned and looted for months with the blessings of all corporations and the mainstream media? Surely the Capitol Hill has an insurance policy? Or does that moronic point only apply to the common folk? Susan Rosenberg literally bombed the Capitol in 1983 and now serves as vice chair of the board of directors of Thousand Currents, a " non-profit foundation…

idk how to tell you this in a way you'll listen to but doing things for good reasons is good and doing them for bad reasons is bad.

from my point of view, the jedi are evil

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by entropea »

at_a_remove wrote: post #92

I recently found out that on May 30th, there were numerous Secret Service members injured in a BLM/antifa attack (oh, scratch that, "peaceful protest") on the White House. I briefly wondered why I hadn't heard about that, then I chuckled at my own naivete. Of course, one might ask how that was coordinated, but then it was a peaceful protest, so who cares?

Did they forcibly enter into the White House, or like outside on public property? Protests with injuries aren't uncommon, but I really doubt they forcibly entered a government building and threatened people inside. Police & military are always well prepared ahead of time, well researched, in mass for leftist agitators.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by ceejayoz »

yonaguska wrote: post #159
bananabreakfast wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean the fictitious boogeyman "group" that not one member has ever been identified and the movement for black rights that was widely brutalized by the police? I suppose not, seeing as one is a fantasy and the other clearly had the police paying attention to their plans. Besides, neither has attempted a coup to overturn an election so it's not really the same is it?

Do you honestly believe that Antifa is not real?

"Real" and "worth pissing your pants over" aren't quite the same.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by me_me_me »

trident5000 wrote: post #148
dylan-m wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- The BLM movement is, while poorly framed and easily co-opted by other people, about genuine problems with policing in the United States. Problems that are backed up with verifiable facts rather than scummy used car salesmen and the Inventor of Email™. - The BLM movement, while the source of many large large scale protests (several of which turned into riots and outstayed their welcome) never, at any point, even pre…

What are the verifiable facts again? Do you have alternative statistics because they're actually on the FBI website and contradict everything you're saying. The riots were most likely political AstroTurf before an election via amplification of convenient (and unfortunate/terrible) imagery to turn out voters. I hate to be stone cold but that's my understanding of what unfolded. We witnessed something similar in 2015.

> they're actually on the FBI website and contradict everything you're saying

You are actually on CIA website marked as terrorist. \s

When you make a claim put some effort into it, instead of hearsay. And made up statements to support your point of view

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by pageandrew »

9wzYQbTYsAIc wrote: post #24
pageandrew wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At what content share threshold should an app be taken off of the App Stores for hosting objectionable content?

It’s based on capacity to moderate, not on an arbitrary ratio.

The idea that a fledgling social media company needs a moderation effort akin to Facebook in order to be allowed to even exist seems very anti-competitive to me.

Content still slips through the cracks on Facebook too. Parler had a moderation system in place, although it was jury-driven and not centralized.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by BoorishBears »

at_a_remove wrote: post #92

I recently found out that on May 30th, there were numerous Secret Service members injured in a BLM/antifa attack (oh, scratch that, "peaceful protest") on the White House. I briefly wondered why I hadn't heard about that, then I chuckled at my own naivete. Of course, one might ask how that was coordinated, but then it was a peaceful protest, so who cares?

I don't know where you've been living that you didn't hear about the night Trump went into a bunmer.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/secret-service-took-trump-t...

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/george-floyd-protests-05-31...

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2020/05/secr...

You'll notice some very interesting words there in the Secret Service write up:

> No individuals crossed the White House Fence and no Secret Service protectees were ever in any danger.

Does that sound like the scene at the Capitol where Congresspeople were hidden behind a makeshift barricade while an officer was forced to shoot a woman dead literal steps away from them?

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