If people had called one another to prepare this, would we say that the phone was responsible for the attack? And would we try to ban phones?
Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook
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It’s also, what functions does Facebook serve beyond organizing violence? Clearly it’s a lot. You can reasonably discuss banning handguns because they are only used to commit violence. You can’t reasonably discussing the ban of all knives, telling people who ask “how am I supposed to cook?” that they just need to bite their food into little pieces.
It's probably also rooted in the fact that the owner/CEO of facebook is much richer and better connected.
Apple has a long history of willingness to kneecap Facebook. So reluctance to take on Zuck is not likely the reason.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/12/16/tech...
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> Still in the app stores I see. That's because this stuff was a tiny fraction of the activity on Facebook (it's HUGE, and still mostly for baby pictures), but a substantial fraction of the content on Parler and Gab (they're tiny , and mostly for the stuff that Facebook and Twitter ban). A lot of people who object to Parler's treatment want this conceived as a simple binary, but it's more of a matter of degree an pro…
Sounds like some serious mental gymnastics to me. And also not provable with any specific metrics.
> Sounds like some serious mental gymnastics to me. And also not provable with any specific metrics.
It's not really, it just takes the concept of collateral damage into account. Should a billion Grandmas be denied their baby picture fix on account of a moderation team missing a few thousand users' insurrectionist and para-insurrectionist posts? Obviously not, since that action is high on collateral damage.
That said, Facebook obviously needs to do a better job here, and this is one more example of their foot-dragging causing problems.
Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook
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> Still in the app stores I see. That's because this stuff was a tiny fraction of the activity on Facebook (it's HUGE, and still mostly for baby pictures), but a substantial fraction of the content on Parler and Gab (they're tiny , and mostly for the stuff that Facebook and Twitter ban). A lot of people who object to Parler's treatment want this conceived as a simple binary, but it's more of a matter of degree an pro…
At what content share threshold should an app be taken off of the App Stores for hosting objectionable content?
It’s based on capacity to moderate, not on an arbitrary ratio.
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Facebook was way more responsible than Parler.
I don't disagree with you. The evidence appears to support that conclusion, so I'm trying to understand why Facebook is given a pass. IMO Facebook has been the single greatest catalyst for abusive online behavior in twenty years, but it's in a protected class. I would like to know why. Is it just money?
In reality, it is because Facebook hosts its own infrastructure and doesn't have to answer to anyone.
There were no government edicts behind Parler going down. It was just individual decisions made by other corporations.
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#26If people had called one another to prepare this, would we say that the phone was responsible for the attack? And would we try to ban phones?
Phones don't pretend to be a moderated public platform. Also, the government has the legal right to monitor phones just as much as they do Facebook via the correct warrants.
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#27I'm not sure I believe this. If it was months in the making on Facebook, why did Facebook not do more to stop it? Reading this it actually gives weight that Facebook was just as responsible for the insurrection as Parler.
Now that I think about it: most of the planning happened on American soil under the eyes of the American Government. I'm afraid there's no choice but to abolish government.
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Sounds like some serious mental gymnastics to me. And also not provable with any specific metrics.
It really doesn't, but ok. Facebook has a huge moderation team. Just because some things get through that cause damage doesn't put it in the same category as a platform specifically built to enable terrorism.
I’m sorry but this isn’t Reddit, you can’t just claim a platform was specifically built for terrorism because you’re upset.
It has definitely attracted an alt-right crowd, but “specifically built to enable terrorism” is some ridiculous cable-news-level propaganda.
I’d much rather this conversation be about free speech and where lines can be drawn — and it bothers me that platforms can be taken down everywhere because of an unrelated group that happened to use them for something horrible. What about Signal? It’s been getting lots of popularity recently — what if it comes out that the terrorists are on Signal now, and there’s nothing they can do to be moderated because of the encryption. Will Signal be taken down for refusing to add a backdoor?
Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook
#29If people had called one another to prepare this, would we say that the phone was responsible for the attack? And would we try to ban phones?
When telephones were a new technology, say in the 1890s, then yes, they probably would have.