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Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by seattle_spring »

trident5000 wrote: post #10
ardy42 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Still in the app stores I see. That's because this stuff was a tiny fraction of the activity on Facebook (it's HUGE, and still mostly for baby pictures), but a substantial fraction of the content on Parler and Gab (they're tiny , and mostly for the stuff that Facebook and Twitter ban). A lot of people who object to Parler's treatment want this conceived as a simple binary, but it's more of a matter of degree an pro…

Sounds like some serious mental gymnastics to me. And also not provable with any specific metrics.

It really doesn't, but ok.

Facebook has a huge moderation team. Just because some things get through that cause damage doesn't put it in the same category as a platform specifically built to enable terrorism.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by pageandrew »

ardy42 wrote: post #8
trident5000 wrote: post #4

Still in the app stores I see.

> Still in the app stores I see. That's because this stuff was a tiny fraction of the activity on Facebook (it's HUGE, and still mostly for baby pictures), but a substantial fraction of the content on Parler and Gab (they're tiny , and mostly for the stuff that Facebook and Twitter ban). A lot of people who object to Parler's treatment want this conceived as a simple binary, but it's more of a matter of degree an pro…

At what content share threshold should an app be taken off of the App Stores for hosting objectionable content?

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by JMTQp8lwXL »

trident5000 wrote: post #4

Still in the app stores I see.

I'm sure public support for removing Facebook from app stores wouldn't be too different than Parler. If we are principled people, and FB is failing to moderate, then any reasonable person who supported Parler's removal would support Facebook's. What would be different between the two decisions is the sheer magnitude of money on the line, in the case of Facebook's removal -- in capital markets, in employment, etc.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by brummm »

spoonjim wrote: post #9
Simulacra wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't disagree with you. The evidence appears to support that conclusion, so I'm trying to understand why Facebook is given a pass. IMO Facebook has been the single greatest catalyst for abusive online behavior in twenty years, but it's in a protected class. I would like to know why. Is it just money?

It’s also, what functions does Facebook serve beyond organizing violence? Clearly it’s a lot. You can reasonably discuss banning handguns because they are only used to commit violence. You can’t reasonably discussing the ban of all knives, telling people who ask “how am I supposed to cook?” that they just need to bite their food into little pieces.

It's probably also rooted in the fact that the owner/CEO of facebook is much richer and better connected.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by trident5000 »

seattle_spring wrote: post #11
trident5000 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like some serious mental gymnastics to me. And also not provable with any specific metrics.

It really doesn't, but ok. Facebook has a huge moderation team. Just because some things get through that cause damage doesn't put it in the same category as a platform specifically built to enable terrorism.

"a platform specifically built to enable terrorism" this is hyperbole. We shouldnt have 2 companies arbitrarily determining what the thresholds are for a service/app to exist.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by tomjakubowski »

trident5000 wrote: post #10
ardy42 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Still in the app stores I see. That's because this stuff was a tiny fraction of the activity on Facebook (it's HUGE, and still mostly for baby pictures), but a substantial fraction of the content on Parler and Gab (they're tiny , and mostly for the stuff that Facebook and Twitter ban). A lot of people who object to Parler's treatment want this conceived as a simple binary, but it's more of a matter of degree an pro…

Sounds like some serious mental gymnastics to me. And also not provable with any specific metrics.

Legal classification is very often qualitative (see: obscenity laws). Not everything in life can be boiled down to metrics.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

seattle_spring wrote: post #11
trident5000 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like some serious mental gymnastics to me. And also not provable with any specific metrics.

It really doesn't, but ok. Facebook has a huge moderation team. Just because some things get through that cause damage doesn't put it in the same category as a platform specifically built to enable terrorism.

Parler is in the same category as facebook and twitter. It’s amazing that people have been gaslit to believe that Parler was intended for or mostly used by extremists. More amazing that people keep repeating this authoritatively when they clearly had no exposure to the service.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by jnwatson »

seattle_spring wrote: post #11
trident5000 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like some serious mental gymnastics to me. And also not provable with any specific metrics.

It really doesn't, but ok. Facebook has a huge moderation team. Just because some things get through that cause damage doesn't put it in the same category as a platform specifically built to enable terrorism.

That Facebook gave it the ol' college try to avoid enabling terrorism is sufficient?

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by trident5000 »

tomjakubowski wrote: post #16
trident5000 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like some serious mental gymnastics to me. And also not provable with any specific metrics.

Legal classification is very often qualitative (see: obscenity laws). Not everything in life can be boiled down to metrics.

Where does legal classification even enter this conversation?

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by 9wzYQbTYsAIc »

ardy42 wrote: post #8
trident5000 wrote: post #4

Still in the app stores I see.

> Still in the app stores I see. That's because this stuff was a tiny fraction of the activity on Facebook (it's HUGE, and still mostly for baby pictures), but a substantial fraction of the content on Parler and Gab (they're tiny , and mostly for the stuff that Facebook and Twitter ban). A lot of people who object to Parler's treatment want this conceived as a simple binary, but it's more of a matter of degree an pro…

Apple’s reasoning was their incapacity to moderate violent messages, not their ratio of violent messages.
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