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Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by itsthefnlacctdn »

golondon wrote: post #45
mancerayder wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>As long as you don't cause violence or you're not violating the terms of service which you accepted while joining to the service, they wouldn't remove your content or block you. That's both optimistic and naive given that TOS can change at any time, and interpretation aren't subject to appeal with a transparent process.

Yes, it can change any time and you can follow what's changed. It's also open to appeal to the company and I have seen mistakes corrected. My point is there is no secret agenda to bring up a content that supports one view. What Turkish gov wants to achieve is that, taking down the content they don't like. They have taken over all mainstream TV channels and you wouldn't see a line of critic on any channel, if you do i…

Were you alive end of December 2020? >My point is there is no secret agenda to bring up a content that supports one view. US senators just pressed youtube to delete all 'election fraud' videos. I dno how thats supporting all viewpoints. Please update your hidden agenda talking points with your crew kthx

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by dastx »

Symbiote wrote: post #43
diegoperini wrote: post #20

History for the curious reader: The law passed months ago and all major providers are given notice last year. Any social media provider, local or foreign, with at least 1M daily user activity is required to assign a legal representative in Turkey now. Internet bandwith of non-obliging companies will be reduced up to 95% incrementally. Until recently, most social networks including Facebook were silent to this request…

What is the 95% based on? Current usage? Or, just some invented number, adjusted according to Erdoğan's political requirements?

Knowing the little governments usually know about tech, I'd say it was a random number chosen by a dice roll, guaranteed to be random.

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by _v7gu »

aerodog wrote: post #37

Jack Dorsey took the initiative to side with the people who tried to overthrow the Turkish government in 2016. I'm surprised Twitter still survives. The MSM almost entirely ignores this because they're fixated on this "strongman" narrative that makes American liberals feel good about themselves.

I want to read about this, any sources?

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by throwaway313371 »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #21
_pmf_ wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> for a country to have a grasp over the communication of its citizens It's never the country that has this power. It's particular government bodies.

In Turkey AKP/Erdogan is the "country". The beef between twitter and Erdogan's AKP is quite old and goes back to at least the times of the coup, and then when the Turkish police got doxxed by CthulhuSec. edit: tone down my own opinion bc toyg is right in their critique

I was here for the coup where 200 people died and another 2,000 were injured. None of us like AKP or Tayipp, but you really need to shut your mouth hoping that a muslim extremist (Fetullah Gülen) should have taken over the country. Really, that's like hoping that the Evangelical white supremacists had succeeded in taking over the USA last week.

wtf is wrong with you? Why do you want terrorists to take over the ONLY democracy in the middle-east?

(edited for typo)

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by mrtksn »

Symbiote wrote: post #43
diegoperini wrote: post #20

History for the curious reader: The law passed months ago and all major providers are given notice last year. Any social media provider, local or foreign, with at least 1M daily user activity is required to assign a legal representative in Turkey now. Internet bandwith of non-obliging companies will be reduced up to 95% incrementally. Until recently, most social networks including Facebook were silent to this request…

What is the 95% based on? Current usage? Or, just some invented number, adjusted according to Erdoğan's political requirements?

Good question. Here is the text of the law (in Turkish): https://www.resmigazete.gov.tr/eskiler/2020/07/20200731-1.ht...

It says "the social network provider's band width to be reduced by ...%"

I'm not a law expert but my guess is that they will send order letters to the ISP's and the ISP's will act the way they see fit. If Erdogan is not impressed, they will give the CEO's a call to improve the bandwidth reduction. If they don't comply, they will have hard time getting the permits to install cables or win government contracts, so they will comply.

When a website is blocked in Turkey, it's up to ISP's to choose the blocking method. Some ISP's blocks are stronger than others(some simply block DNS and you are not affected if you use GoogleDNS or OpenDNS etc. others block the IP so your only recourse is to use VPN). Also, some websites are more blocked than the others(On the same ISP you can have some websites IP blocked, others DNS only).

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by pjc50 »

I suppose this was inevitable after the Arab Spring and the incoherent failure that "democracy promotion" has been across the Muslim world, along with the rise of right-wing-authoritarian governments.

Twitter is a revolution-causing technology. We were all bigging this up in 2011 when protestors in Tahrir Square overthrew the military government of Egypt demanding a less repressive one.

Unfortunately fewer people paid attention to the followup: the subsequent (apparently free and fair) elections were won by the Islamist party, who immediately tried to impose an Islamist constitution that was in many ways even more repressive. That led to a coup again, effectively going back to a military dictatorship. How it's going now: https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2020/country-chapters/egypt

Merely having free speech and free elections is not enough to ensure that people don't elect a repressive government. The liberal values need to be more widely embedded in the society, and more work needs to be done to counter propaganda and the inevitable racism and religious bigotry and supremacism that leads to unfree governments.

It has also been very convenient for the West to not pay attention to Turkey during the Syria crisis, while they engage in what look like proxy actions on our behalf against Syrian and Russian (and unfortunately Kurdish) forces. And host something like three million refugees.

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by nlitened »

golondon wrote: post #35
antibuddy wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should be noted that the US has the same double standards, but enforced by silicon valley corps themselves in union. Moral of the story: Power currupts.

It's not the same thing. As long as you don't cause violence or you're not violating the terms of service which you accepted while joining to the service, they wouldn't remove your content or block you. Of course, you can come up with one off examples of ML models screwing things up but it's not the intention while developing those models. Turkish government's intention here is getting content that criticise them rem…

> As long as you don't cause violence or you're not violating the terms of service which you accepted while joining to the service, they wouldn't remove your content or block you.

If I remember correctly, a lot of violence and multiple revolutions happened with the help of Twitter and YouTube all over the world. As long as violence is not in the US, it does not count, I suppose. That was probably what GP meant by saying "double standards".

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by pjc50 »

throwaway313371 wrote: post #54
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Turkey AKP/Erdogan is the "country". The beef between twitter and Erdogan's AKP is quite old and goes back to at least the times of the coup, and then when the Turkish police got doxxed by CthulhuSec. edit: tone down my own opinion bc toyg is right in their critique

I was here for the coup where 200 people died and another 2,000 were injured. None of us like AKP or Tayipp, but you really need to shut your mouth hoping that a muslim extremist (Fetullah Gülen) should have taken over the country. Really, that's like hoping that the Evangelical white supremacists had succeeded in taking over the USA last week. wtf is wrong with you? Why do you want terrorists to take over the ONLY d…

This has been a bit of a problem in the West of backing "rebels" indiscriminately without checking if their politics is actually worse than the politics of those they're rebelling against.

Re: Turkey imposes advertising bans on Twitter, Periscope and Pinterest

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Post by pjc50 »

op03 wrote: post #30
p2detar wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> China's policy of locking US companies out of the Chinese market looks prudent in hindsight. Exactly. I mean, depending on their market penetration, social media platforms are not just a mirror but an active tool for analysis and influence of people's opinions. Age groups, clicks, hash tags, links, time of posting, etc. Why on Earth would governments leave such power in the hands of the free enterprise? Even in the…

Thats what was said about Wall St after many a blunder. They are still raking it in. Do you know why?

Where else is the money going to go?
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