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Parler’s de-platforming shows the exceptional power of cloud providers

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Post by lostlogin »

tjr225 wrote: post #728
lostlogin wrote: post #706

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Would it though? Compare other hard problems and how they have been handled. Healthcare comes to mind immediately.

Lol this is kind of funny given my other post but in addition to having worked in government I’ve also worked in healthcare. I made about 50% of what I do now at that vendor and was glad to leave. I truly think if people had an incentive to make things better in government and healthcare then things would get better. It was a terrible job but a good starting point. I wonder if health care vendors paid as much as goog…

> I don’t know if you’ve lived on the west coast and worked in tech

No. I don’t live in the US and don’t work in tech. I work in healthcare and have done so in the private sector and public sector. I don’t think you have pay a an amazing amount to get good people. Decent conditions go a very long way. My public sector pay isn’t worse than my private pay, and depending on how you measure it, the public pay may be better.

Would I be right in thinking that your healthcare experience was all private sector?

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Post by artificialLimbs »

sjwright wrote: post #574
rayiner wrote: post #329

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We’ve got one of the most educated populations in the world. Europe is only recently catching up to is in e.g. the percentage of people with college degrees.

College degrees are not a relevant metric. What percentage of the population are being taught fundamental critical thinking skills? How many are taught how to evaluate the quality of data and the quality of sources? How many people have a good grounding of statistics? Or civics? Or logical fallacies? How many people can describe the scientific method? I don't have many vivid memories of my primary school education bu…

I think integrity might be what you're aiming toward. When people are taught to live integrous lives and manage to do so, they are more able to see a lack of integrity when it comes.

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Post by worik »

jclulow wrote: post #757
slg wrote: post #652

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The question is how do you fix that? We should want domain experts in a lot of these government roles, but the primary way you become an expert in an industry is working in that industry. Let's image we put a ban in place to prevent this revolving door. Why would someone working in the industry be willing to forfeit their post-government career, especially if they are a political appointee and might only have the rol…

I think for starters it's important to recognise that the expectation of a "post-government" career is itself a part of this problem. If we instead built long term competence within public institutions, including competitive remuneration and career development like training programmes, there wouldn't be a need to have a door between the private and public sector quite as much in the first place. The reward should be…

And working conditions. The state often can offer better working conditions. Things like high pay and fixed hours - does not have to be a fantasy salary before it is very attractive to people with families.

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Post by vharuck »

sebmellen wrote: post #740
vharuck wrote: post #583

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>Do you realize that numerous times throughout history people have successfully killed the actual president and it didn't end democracy? I'm no historian, so was there ever a time the killing was instigated by a sitting politician who then was not punished? (Yes, the Senate has yet to decide, but chances are they won't vote for removal or banning from office). Because politicians trying to have their political oppone…

With respect, it's clear you're no historian. Don't forget that Alexander Hamilton was fatally shot in a duel with then Vice President Aaron Burr in 1804 [0]. > Few affairs of honor actually resulted in deaths, and the nation was outraged by the killing of a man as eminent as Alexander Hamilton. Charged with murder, Burr, still vice president, returned to Washington, D.C., where he finished his term immune from prose…

From your source:

>In the campaign, Burr’s character was savagely attacked by Hamilton and others, and after the election he resolved to restore his reputation by challenging Hamilton to a duel, or an “affair of honor,” as they were known.

Emphasis mine. Burr killing Hamilton had no effect on the outcome of the election, which was already over and decided. Also, Hamilton agreed to the duel.

Trump incited the mob to attack people he saw as opponents, which included Mike Pence. He spoke of saving the country from a rigged election, which heavily implies changing the results of the election. And I really doubt the politicians hiding in rooms behind armed security had agreed to dueling an angry mob.

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Post by colordrops »

dragonwriter wrote: post #696
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I don't know the veracity of your statement, but censorship, particularly of right wing narratives, has been a hot topic for a long time, not just after the capitol riot. Your statement would imply that the massive support for Trump is only due to people wanting to protect their privilege. You are denying reality by ignoring the vast swath of poor people that voted for Trump because he claimed he would address their…

> Your statement would imply that the massive support for Trump is only due to people wanting to protect their privilege No, I was addressing a claim about why people are becoming violent in the context of the Capitol insurrection (which, while a large mob, is not a large or representative share of Trump supporters). Why that narrow group is getting violent and why the much larger group of Trump supporters support Tr…

43% of US poor voting for Trump (from your own link) is just going to be ignored?

By the way, you never addressed most of my original post, rather resorting to picking off one part with a snarky comment, somehow implying that it's obvious that censorship is the way to go and it's not worthy of debate.

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Post by freeflight »

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I've reconciled my newfound disinterest in the principle of freedom of expression like this: Lies and threats are already illegal if you lie about a person who has the power and standing to use the court system to enforce that. If harmfully you lie in the legal system, it's perjury or filing a false report. If you lie to trick somebody into giving you money (and they can show damages and standing), it's fraud or fals…

> BLM and Antifa activists aren't even members of a real organization Aren’t there “real” BLM organizations? Aren’t there “real” antifa groups?

The meaning of that is that there is no central authority nor uniformity for antifa or BLM groups.

Everybody can start their own antifa group because all that takes is opposing fascism, that's the only unifying factor there.

It's the same with BLM: It's not some kind of ideology with international governing institutions, it's a call to a cause very much like antifa.

It's simply opposition to fascism/police violence without even much unity on with what to replace it.

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Post by alex_young »

georgyo wrote: post #601
apple_innocent wrote: post #538

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Are the terms confidential. Can customers "compare notes" to see if they are getting less favourable terms than others.

They all include a NDA about the agreement itself. So yes, the terms are confidential. Even the fact that a particular that you may or may not have an agreement at all is confidential.

Every Master Service Agreement (MSA) I’ve seen has had a ton of legal back and forth. To say that they all include NDAs is a generalization which isn’t even mostly true in my experience.

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Post by tjr225 »

lostlogin wrote: post #761
tjr225 wrote: post #728

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Lol this is kind of funny given my other post but in addition to having worked in government I’ve also worked in healthcare. I made about 50% of what I do now at that vendor and was glad to leave. I truly think if people had an incentive to make things better in government and healthcare then things would get better. It was a terrible job but a good starting point. I wonder if health care vendors paid as much as goog…

> I don’t know if you’ve lived on the west coast and worked in tech No. I don’t live in the US and don’t work in tech. I work in healthcare and have done so in the private sector and public sector. I don’t think you have pay a an amazing amount to get good people. Decent conditions go a very long way. My public sector pay isn’t worse than my private pay, and depending on how you measure it, the public pay may be bett…

Definitely all private sector in the US. That’s almost exactly what I’m getting at.

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Post by vkou »

antibuddy wrote: post #143
alwayseasy wrote: post #113

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The worst-case scenario is the end of democracy in the USA in the next 15 years. If one side stays convinced the elections were fraudulent and Trump is a victim , it will cause a permanent shift in how Americans see their own democratic elections. Historically, since democracy has existed, that vacuum is always filled by an authoritarian leader.

However, what if the election really was fraudulent? I mean the video in Georgia after the election observer were sent home, were pretty incriminating. Also seeing how BLM got backing and did way more damage, makes this all look pretty one-sided. It's only okay if they do it.

Let's take this a step further. What if the Democrats are, as QAnon suggests, indeed baby-blood-drinking monsters who perform human sacrifices for the glory of Beelzebub, and the only way to stop them is immediate action by patriots?

Sure, there's no systemic evidence that this is taking place, but what if there was?

Surely, baselessly and self-servingly casting doubt on the legitimacy of the electoral process in a democracy is a small price to pay, to protect ourselves from the possibility that our immortal souls will be handed over to an Ekronic demon.

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Post by tjr225 »

shadowgovt wrote: post #752
tjr225 wrote: post #728

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Lol this is kind of funny given my other post but in addition to having worked in government I’ve also worked in healthcare. I made about 50% of what I do now at that vendor and was glad to leave. I truly think if people had an incentive to make things better in government and healthcare then things would get better. It was a terrible job but a good starting point. I wonder if health care vendors paid as much as goog…

A former Googler got called in by the Obama administration to try and put healthcare.gov back on its rails after the disastrous launch, and the things he learned about it were fascinating. He talks about some of them here https://youtu.be/0albm_hhQzM It's not only the pay rate attracting employees who prefer stability to income... It's an entire decisionmaking ecosystem centered around minimizing blame coupled badly…

I’ve experienced this first hand. I really think more money would solve this problem.

If the departments weren’t structuring themselves to survive indefinitely out of fear, then we could engineer in government.

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