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Parler’s de-platforming shows the exceptional power of cloud providers

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Re: Parler’s de-platforming shows the exceptional power of cloud providers

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Post by voicedYoda »

apple_innocent wrote: post #483
noncoml wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My suggestion that governments shouldn't rely on third-parties for their infra, didn't go down well with HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25639520

FWIW, I agree with your opinion. That includes not letting politicians onto these websites to do campaigning. This was a big mistake. The number of former public servants who have gone to work for Facebook is alarming, IMO. The number of possible future public servants who have worked there is perhaps even more worrisome.

It's been a revolving door for a long long time

Re: Parler’s de-platforming shows the exceptional power of cloud providers

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Post by apple_innocent »

apple_innocent wrote: post #337

"In 2010, DNA sequencing company Complete Genomics said that "an interruption of services by Amazon Web Services, on whom we rely to deliver finished genomic data to our customers, would result in our customers not receiving their data on time." Gaming company Zynga warned about how its AWS foundation could quickly vanish when it filed the prospectus for its initial public offering in 2011. "AWS may terminate the agr…

s/cancel/terminate

https://www.acquisition.gov/print/11832

(I am not knowedgeable when it comes to FAR, maybe someone reading HN knows more.)

Re: Parler’s de-platforming shows the exceptional power of cloud providers

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Post by enraged_camel »

rayiner wrote: post #505
enraged_camel wrote: post #471

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What is the argument you're trying to make?

I’m trying to figure out if anyone actually want to heal societal schisms? And the measure of that is what folks are willing to compromise on?

I don't think banning extremism, hate speech and calls for political violence from private platforms constitutes a compromise.

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Post by stolen_biscuit »

ganoushoreilly wrote: post #530
DarmokJalad1701 wrote: post #506

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> Successful in what Successful in killing/hold hostage those elected officials they deemed against their cause. This could have ended so much worse than it did. For example, what do you think would've happened if AOC or one of the other congresswomen maligned by Trump ended up in front of these maniacs? Do you think they would have stopped at stealing podiums/laptops?

What would have happened if any of the riots this past year escalated to violence because of heavy handed actions of the "left". In fact, we know what happened, death and destruction. Why is this not viewed in the same way? It's a complete attack on our country and government, but was somehow sanctioned?

Because people rioting over centuries of racial abuse and systematic racially motivated murder at the hands of policeman is not the same thing as storming your nations capitol because you don't like the results of a free and fair election

Re: Parler’s de-platforming shows the exceptional power of cloud providers

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Post by jmull »

smsm42 wrote: post #257

That is the most depressing part for me - how easily American society is scared into giving up their freedom ideals. Turns out they don't have to be threatened with overwhelming force. They don't need to be threatened with death, starvation or torture. They don't need to be threatened by economic ruin or untold suffering. No, the richest and most safe civilization ever existed on the face of the planet is ready to gi…

The previous poster isn’t “scared”. They have observed the what happens when people feel free of the consequences of their speech. Making this out as if it were about fear rather than direct issues doesn’t help.

Can there be a free speech social platform that isn’t a cesspool? If so, how? Is it inevitable that a free platform will be used to recruit, radicalize, and organize for violence? Or is there a way to prevent that?

Ignore these questions and you let them fester.

> “insurrection”

Here’s a definition from Merriam-Webster: “an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government”. Seems to fit what happened at the Capitol pretty well, doesn’t it?

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Post by sojournerc »

ukd1 wrote: post #283
sojournerc wrote: post #198

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What about DNS? ISP? There must be some line. Sure you can build your own server and connect it to the internet, but if you're handing out cards with an IP address, marketability is limited.

1.1.1.1 disagrees with you, but that's an aside. ISPs get common-carrier status - I think platforms should be able to have this protection and requirements too, if they want it. For ISPs this protects them from things folks do with their service, meaning they don't have to completely monitor your use.

> they don't have to completely monitor your use.

Where is this coming from? I don't need any monitoring... not ISP, not government...

What happened to life and liberty?

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Post by apple_innocent »

znkynz wrote: post #511
gabereiser wrote: post #454

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Disaster recovery was a hot topic. Most transformations kept DR within the cloud. A few architectures wanted to fail over to another public cloud (AWS->Azure). The issue of “de-platforming” still exists. Most wanted to get rid of the on-prem costs without keeping a rack around for DR. You’re absolutely right that the real meat of discussion needs to be how a cloud company like AWS makes these decisions? What criteria…

Enterprise customers, of signficant volume, do indeed get custom agreements. (Or at least, they used to be able to do so.)

Are the terms confidential. Can customers "compare notes" to see if they are getting less favourable terms than others.

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Post by girvo »

smsm42 wrote: post #257

That is the most depressing part for me - how easily American society is scared into giving up their freedom ideals. Turns out they don't have to be threatened with overwhelming force. They don't need to be threatened with death, starvation or torture. They don't need to be threatened by economic ruin or untold suffering. No, the richest and most safe civilization ever existed on the face of the planet is ready to gi…

They killed a police officer. While storming your Capitol building during your democratic process. What else do you call it then?

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

rayiner wrote: post #505
enraged_camel wrote: post #471

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the argument you're trying to make?

I’m trying to figure out if anyone actually want to heal societal schisms? And the measure of that is what folks are willing to compromise on?

I don't agree. Healing societal schisms is about reestablishing a vision of politics where you argue by saying "here's why this is the best policy" or "here's why this is the most ethical policy", rather than "my movement is very strong and you'd better not get in our way". Making compromises is an important part of effective governance, but it won't by itself heal anything.
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