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E Ink has developed a 2nd generation Advanced Color E-Paper

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Re: E Ink has developed a 2nd generation Advanced Color E-Paper

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Post by qwerty456127 »

lightdot wrote: post #129
qwerty456127 wrote: post #52

I really want an e-ink (I mean an e-ink-only, not a dual-screen Lenovo ThinkBook) laptop. And I want it monochrome, low-refresh, no-clutter lo-fi. Rich colour, high refresh rates? No, thank you, I appreciate the mental silence classic e-ink devices provide. Just give me a reMarkable with a keyboard, capable to run a terminal and something like Emacs with org-roam.

reMarkable 2 has pogo pins for the second USB at the left side, and that one supports a keyboard just fine. Terminal and emacs aren't there out of the box, but can be added. A really nice and quite hackable writing/reading device...

That's great but I actually want the keyboard to be an integral part of the chassis rather than a separate thing to carry with me and put on a table. Like in classic laptops or like in Lenovo Yoga. This way I would also be able to type the classic laptop way - putting it on my laps when in public transport.

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Post by zimpenfish »

Groxx wrote: post #120
zimpenfish wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Especially because a full-color display uses numerous full-page refreshes to achieve all colours which are really jarring. Can confirm - I have a Kaleido based e-reader and whilst I do like that book covers are in colour, scrolling through even a small library is jank central due to the multiple refreshes.

Worth noting that Kaleido and ACeP are very different. Kaleido is effectively an RGB LCD in front of an E-Ink screen - you get color at 1/3 the resolution of black and white, but "normal" refresh rates. This accounts for all of the multi-color e-ink readers on the market now. AcEP is 4 pigments per cell , so you get full resolution and better saturation and contrast, but terrible refresh rates. Last I saw for ACeP it…

> you get color at 1/3 the resolution of black and white, but "normal" refresh rates.

It might be "normal" refresh rates but it takes multiple refreshes to generate colour output compared with mono. It is an awful janky experience.

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Post by p1esk »

nicoburns wrote: post #175
p1esk wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Benefits of this proposal outweigh the cons. Average length of patent protection will decrease.

> Benefits of this proposal outweigh the cons. Average length of patent protection will decrease. reply Why not do that in the straightforward way of simply decreasing the patent protection duration? Or as other people have suggestion: make it contingent on the type of thing being patented.

Because different patents might have vastly different value. If someone has invested a billion dollars to develop some new technology, they might want to benefit from it longer than someone who invested $10k. Yet, this scheme still allows the $10k investor to keep protecting his invention in case it's wildly successful.

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Post by sosuke »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #161
sosuke wrote: post #24

The picture presented has 133134 colors in it from my very rough calculation. That is not at all how the display will look.

It's probably a simple photoshop as the image even seems to be higher resolution than the hardware. But counting unique pixel colors in a photo of a display tells you nothing about the display. Find a picture of a gameboy screen (10 colors) or gameboy color (56 colors) and send the jpg through that tool. You should be able to realize the problem from simple intuition about what a photo is.

I thought it was a mockup. If it was a mockup it should be limited to the colors available right?

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Post by chandra381 »

listerOfSmeg wrote: post #6

E-ink is one of those techs that only advanced when large batches of patents expire. E-ink the company has tied up the tech stack in so many patents, NDA's, and exorbitant prices that no one wants to touch it. E-ink the technology wont go any where for 10-15 years when that next big batch of patents expire. Its just like 3D displays and VR there will be a massive consumer push new batches of patents will be filed pro…

There is also an issue of maintainability and spare parts. For example, the technology behind how phone screens work is broadly understood, leading to people being able to replace their phone screens if they are broken or no longer working. There is no such thing for Kindle or e-readers more generally, because a lot of this is hidden in patents. so if you're a consumer and want to purchase one, and it breaks somehow you're SOL.

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Post by tyler109 »

itronitron wrote: post #179
qwerty456127 wrote: post #52

I really want an e-ink (I mean an e-ink-only, not a dual-screen Lenovo ThinkBook) laptop. And I want it monochrome, low-refresh, no-clutter lo-fi. Rich colour, high refresh rates? No, thank you, I appreciate the mental silence classic e-ink devices provide. Just give me a reMarkable with a keyboard, capable to run a terminal and something like Emacs with org-roam.

I think I read a blog a few years ago about someone replacing the display in their laptop with an e-ink monitor but I'm having trouble tracking down the link. This might be of interest however... https://dasung-tech.myshopify.com/

Check this forum: http://forum.ei2030.org

Re: E Ink has developed a 2nd generation Advanced Color E-Paper

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Post by Groxx »

zimpenfish wrote: post #182
Groxx wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Worth noting that Kaleido and ACeP are very different. Kaleido is effectively an RGB LCD in front of an E-Ink screen - you get color at 1/3 the resolution of black and white, but "normal" refresh rates. This accounts for all of the multi-color e-ink readers on the market now. AcEP is 4 pigments per cell , so you get full resolution and better saturation and contrast, but terrible refresh rates. Last I saw for ACeP it…

> you get color at 1/3 the resolution of black and white, but "normal" refresh rates. It might be "normal" refresh rates but it takes multiple refreshes to generate colour output compared with mono. It is an awful janky experience.

Not with Kaleido, it's a normal monochrome eink screen underneath. The color filter on top changes in something like 1ms, it's invisibly fast. ACeP and the other black/white/(red|yellow) "color" inks do require multiple cycles though, and yeah - wildly unusable for reading purposes.

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Post by kortilla »

nicoburns wrote: post #174
kortilla wrote: post #140

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No it doesn’t. The whole point of charging exorbitant fees is that the money is being pulled out of the company. That’s the opposite of entrenched.

But it doesn't only apply to large companies. It also applies to small companies. And the point at which the small company will have to stop paying the fee because they can't afford it will be much sooner than the large company. Thus giving an advantage to the large companies.

But that’s fine. If the small company isn’t pulling in a ton of revenue on the product it wasn’t reaching a lot of society.

It doesn’t matter if Google is paying or Widget firm X. Google isn’t going to keep paying if the patent isn’t sustaining itself anymore than Widget X.

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Post by danielheath »

tolmasky wrote: post #149
danielheath wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A high value monopoly patent will stay locked up for a long time Yes, but this rewards you for inventing something high-value, which is the whole point of patents. Patents on low-value products largely exist to generate lawsuits against productive entities.

It is not the whole point of patents. They at least ostensibly exist as a trade to eventually make the invention enter the public domain. Per Wikipedia: > In accordance with the original definition of the term "patent", patents are intended to facilitate and encourage disclosure of innovations into the public domain for the common good The idea is that to avoid companies keeping the details of inventions hidden indef…

An exponentially growing annual fee is also a great way to fund public goods.

For example, if you increment the exponent every three years, a $20 initial fee would cost half a billion dollars annually after 20 years. That buys a lot of school supplies.

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Post by edeion »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #52

I really want an e-ink (I mean an e-ink-only, not a dual-screen Lenovo ThinkBook) laptop. And I want it monochrome, low-refresh, no-clutter lo-fi. Rich colour, high refresh rates? No, thank you, I appreciate the mental silence classic e-ink devices provide. Just give me a reMarkable with a keyboard, capable to run a terminal and something like Emacs with org-roam.

The closest I can think of is the Hemingwrite typewriter which has an e-ink display and is portable in some sense. At $342, I hope it's more than a toy.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/astrohaus/hemingwrite-a...

Edit: oops! They have a new website and a new product that fits your request more closely.

https://getfreewrite.com/products/freewrite-traveler

But that's really a typewriter. Which is somehow good if you just want text, not code. And here's the problem: these things belong to consumer segments so narrow that I don't see them getting the attention I'd like.

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