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E Ink has developed a 2nd generation Advanced Color E-Paper

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Re: E Ink has developed a 2nd generation Advanced Color E-Paper

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Post by aembleton »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #28
amelius wrote: post #15

Why does every article on e-paper omit the most interesting bit of information? I.e. the refresh time.

Because it’s bad compared to every other digital display. They’re always on the order of seconds , and get even worse the more colors there are. Tri-color displays (red, white, and black) are sometimes up to a dozen seconds or worse. For example, [0] has a refresh time of fifteen seconds ! I’d be surprised if this isn’t an order of magnitude worse than that. [0]: https://www.good-display.com/product/223.html

reMarkable 2 is 21ms: https://www.tomsguide.com/reviews/remarkable-2-review

Re: E Ink has developed a 2nd generation Advanced Color E-Paper

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Post by faceplanted »

ashtonkem wrote: post #145
listerOfSmeg wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

not going to happen it s the only thing they have and they know its a cash cow if it gets wide adoption unfortunately they have gotten greedy and no one will pay it. They also seem to think their market is digital signage and aren't that interested in licensing for other mass market consumer products despite the fact the market it has been adopted most in is e-readers

Pre-Pandemic I started seeing them in the re-branded Amazon/Whole Foods Market in Santa Monica. They replaced all the traditional paper price tags with tiny e-ink displays. I assume that this was to reduce the amount of labor necessary to handle price changes and sales.

reduce labour but also reduce printing and paper use, yes.

Re: E Ink has developed a 2nd generation Advanced Color E-Paper

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Post by Jallal »

rubinesq wrote: post #168
Jallal wrote: post #166

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There's something very fishy about ClearInk. I checked their website to see what their technology looks like. I wanted to see how their product compare to a eInk screen use in many devices (such as Kindle/Kobo/ReMarkable), as this is the kind of products that interests me. It turns out that all the pictures shows the back of what I expect to be tablets/phone prototypes (or maybe it's just stock photos), and not a sin…

> It's almost comical : you advertise for a screen tech, but you carefully avoid to show how such screen looks like. Definitely a red flag. Are you an E Ink employee or something trying to badmouth clearink? Because you can just go to youtube and search clearink and find clear videos of their products from various conferences.

I'm not related to any of those company in any way. I do not work in this field, and to be quite honest, before your comment, I did not even know about ClearLink.

I've highlighted something that makes no sense. Do you expect a car manufacturer not showing one of its cars on its website ? Apple not to how its iPhone ? A SaaS company not showing screen captures of its product ? I don't. Those images should be easily available without having to browse YouTube, or do a search on google.

FWIW, I would actually welcome any concurrent to eInk and its monopoly. I totally share the point of view of the top comment, as I've seen this tech stagnate for years. Most of the supposed alternatives 10 years ago(PlasticLogic, Liquavista, Mirasol, etc.) either never produced something relevant, either failed the expectations.

I actually find your comment quite disrespectful: if you want to promote a product, you can do that without having to resort to ad hominem attacks.

Anyway, thanks for the YouTube tip: I was able to see what I wanted to see.

Edit: if some employee of ClearInk see this message, do yourself a favor and update your website with some pictures of your product, or even a embedded Youtube video. It will speak more than stock photos.

Re: E Ink has developed a 2nd generation Advanced Color E-Paper

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Post by nicoburns »

kortilla wrote: post #140
nicoburns wrote: post #115

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No it's not. It just entrenches the position of those who have money, to the disadvantage of everyone else.

No it doesn’t. The whole point of charging exorbitant fees is that the money is being pulled out of the company. That’s the opposite of entrenched.

But it doesn't only apply to large companies. It also applies to small companies. And the point at which the small company will have to stop paying the fee because they can't afford it will be much sooner than the large company. Thus giving an advantage to the large companies.

Re: E Ink has developed a 2nd generation Advanced Color E-Paper

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Post by nicoburns »

p1esk wrote: post #141
nicoburns wrote: post #115

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No it's not. It just entrenches the position of those who have money, to the disadvantage of everyone else.

Benefits of this proposal outweigh the cons. Average length of patent protection will decrease.

> Benefits of this proposal outweigh the cons. Average length of patent protection will decrease. reply

Why not do that in the straightforward way of simply decreasing the patent protection duration? Or as other people have suggestion: make it contingent on the type of thing being patented.

Re: E Ink has developed a 2nd generation Advanced Color E-Paper

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Post by mackrevinack »

willvarfar wrote: post #80

So I’ll ask here as there may be some lurkers who can help me in my quest: I am trying to find a basic e-reader. I have a simple want: I want a built in browser that will let me download ePub and pdf etc from the browser. I’m not interested in bundled bookstores. I’m not keen on having to load books onto it via a pc app nor emailing them nor having an Amazon account neither. I just want to be able to browse and downl…

i bought an onyx boox nova3 last month and you can install the play store on it which means you might be able to use some apps (not all will work well with eink or the custom android ui that they use.

the idea i had was to mostly manage adding and removing books/articles from my laptop or phone and then have them sync across to the ereader using syncthing. (mainly because its slower to do any of that from an eink)

im using a firefox extension that saves articles to epub. i think there are android apps where you can do something similar through the share menu. but i might just try out wallabag next which is like pocket/read-it-later and then install the wallabag app on my ereader

anyway, I've only messed around with it for a few days but I'm liking it so far, i just have to figure out why syncthing isnt syncing in the background. resilio sync or others like dropbox, google drive might work either. for the moment i just need to open them syncthing app to activate a sync

Re: E Ink has developed a 2nd generation Advanced Color E-Paper

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Post by syshum »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #169
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #163

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Did the Nokia 3310 have any hardware patents related to its release?

I was just saying that 20 years ago is "old". Nokia probably had a gajillion GSM patents that they used to make the phone, and a bunch of other companies had to pay them money for many years to build 2g/GSM phones. Qualcomm and a few other companies have a bunch of patent for 4g tech, so even now (when we're rolling out 5G), it's practically impossible to make a modern...ish modem without giving atleast some money to…

One thing that has allowed 4G to expand radily is the fact that those Qualcomm patents are under a FRAND agreement in exchange for them being including in the 4G standard.

FRAND is not with out its own problems, but it is alot better than the situation with eINK or 3-d Printers where there is not FRAND agreement

Re: E Ink has developed a 2nd generation Advanced Color E-Paper

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Post by itronitron »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #52

I really want an e-ink (I mean an e-ink-only, not a dual-screen Lenovo ThinkBook) laptop. And I want it monochrome, low-refresh, no-clutter lo-fi. Rich colour, high refresh rates? No, thank you, I appreciate the mental silence classic e-ink devices provide. Just give me a reMarkable with a keyboard, capable to run a terminal and something like Emacs with org-roam.

I think I read a blog a few years ago about someone replacing the display in their laptop with an e-ink monitor but I'm having trouble tracking down the link. This might be of interest however...

https://dasung-tech.myshopify.com/

Re: E Ink has developed a 2nd generation Advanced Color E-Paper

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Post by syshum »

vikramkr wrote: post #73
syshum wrote: post #69

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Clearly it is not, e-Ink, 3d printing, VR, and hosts of other technology has been held back not advanced because of patents Now that is not to say I would advocate for complete removal of the patent systems but I do think Compulsory FRAND style licensing should be a requirement of obtaining a patent Your distinction between Copyright and Patent is also strang as the suffer from the same flaw so it seems your only jus…

Held back might be the tradeoff we have to pay for letting them exist in the first place. Developing new technologies is not cheap or trivial- especially hardware innovations. I'd rather have a delayed 20 year start to fast e ink innovation than have e ink never get the r&d funding needed to get past the valley of death and make it to market in the first place.

Other than the false equivalency of your argument, you would also have to prove the technology would not have been completed with out the patent, I think that is a hard conclusion to draw given the amount of other progress we have made with out such consideration (i.e see FOSS )

Once you have proven the need for an exclusivity grant, You also need to prove that 5, 10, 15 years of exclusivity via a patent would be unable provide enough incentive, that it had to be 20 years to strike the proper balance

In today's fast moving society, I think 5 years would provide more than enough incentive even for expensive technology that requires lots of capital investment though I would favor a shorter exclusivity grant, and then may be longer required licensing grant. like 2-3 years of exclusive use, and then 10 years of licensing but the patent holder is required to treat all uses of the patent in the same manner with fair and non-discriminatory pricing.

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