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G8 agenda calls for "civilized Internet": monitored, governed, controlled, taxed

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Re: G8 agenda calls for "civilized Internet": monitored, governed, controlled, taxed

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Post by keane »

haberman wrote: post #13

This article is a sensationalist piece with very little content, the HN headline is misleading (the words "tax" and "monitor" do not appear anywhere on the target webpage), and the comments are impassioned soapbox generalizations. This is HN at its worst.

haberman, you say the article is a sensationalist piece with very little content but I'd like to point out that the site linked to is more than a single blog post. Included are links to Boing Boing comments and discussion as well as links to pieces in newspapers in France and Italy.

This article, posted to g8internet.com, from the Italian newspaper la Republicca, by internet reporter Arturo Di Corinto, provides more detailed arguments and a generous use of footnotes and citations - http://www.repubblica.it/tecnologia/2011/05/01/news/sarkozy_...

Hopefully more pieces like that will be found and added to the growing repository at the site.

As far as headline, I took that from an article by Dominic Basulto which I submitted separately here - http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2581175 - apologies for any confusion.

Re: G8 agenda calls for "civilized Internet": monitored, governed, controlled, taxed

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Post by d0ne »

dantheman wrote: post #77
jellicle wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not at all. If the question is "Should the government be able to access email to track down pornographers and terrorists?", the answer is that 99% of the population is in favor of it.

That's quite the claim and I don't believe it for a second.

I'm with ^

Re: G8 agenda calls for "civilized Internet": monitored, governed, controlled, taxed

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Post by natmaster »

Downvote me all you want...

Why is everyone suddenly up in arms about the internet losing its freedom and being regulated? How is this any different from every other service that exists?

The internet is the shining last example of true liberty - it CAN work - and yet everyone seems to think that the world would go into chaos if everything wasn't heavily regulated. Where does this assumption come from? The internet is super prosperous because of this freedom. Why do people assume regulation is the best answer, when evidence indicates otherwise?

I'm seriously at a loss here.

Re: G8 agenda calls for "civilized Internet": monitored, governed, controlled, taxed

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Post by mahyarm »

electromagnetic wrote: post #54
getsat wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 51% of the population 32% vote for candidate/party A, 33% vote for B, 35% vote for C. 65% are not represented. First past the post needs to go. :(

Canada has a 'majority' government with less than 40% of the vote. The depressing thing is that in the majority of areas that the Conservatives won, they won only because they purposefully split the vote between the Liberals and NDP who are politically a few notches apart. Now we have the first government ever in a Westminster Democracy that the Prime Minister lost to a vote of no-confidence for breaching parliamenta…

Actually, out of the entire population of Canada (including people who can't vote), only 10% voted for the conservative party. Similar numbers happened when Chretien was first voted in too. It's just a feature of FPTP in general. Being voted in contempt of government is only practically possible in minority governments and most of the time Canada has had majority governments.

Re: G8 agenda calls for "civilized Internet": monitored, governed, controlled, taxed

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Post by bluedanieru »

chopsueyar wrote: post #89
bluedanieru wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's all that will be left if these sniveling fuckers get their way.

Well, let them get their way, and the whole internet will crumble and become useless for everyone (see Directive 10-289). I personally, am prepared to walk away. I grew up with BBSs and 2400bps dialup, only one user at a time connecting. It was not horrible. I remeber downloading .gl video files over dialup, too. This level of communication is completely feasible today without relying on any corporate or government o…

I don't know where I would go to buy a modem these days. Perhaps, if I find one, I'll add it to my disaster kit.

Re: G8 agenda calls for "civilized Internet": monitored, governed, controlled, taxed

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Post by vabole »

chopsueyar wrote: post #61
vabole wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell Chinese government how impossible it is to control the internet. The Great Firewall of China (GFC) is advancing very fast. Just a few years ago even an unencrypted proxy abroad would do the trick, and yet most people did not know how to set it up and did not care enough to find out. Nowadays even VPNs and SSH tunnels are commonly blocked. It is not trivial to bypass the GFC and it is only getting harder by the t…

That isn't really the internet, just a web proxy.

When without a foreign proxy you only get the very limited version of the internet, access to a proxy becomes synonymous with the internet access.

And SSH is used not only for tunneling the HTTP traffic, try managing a remote server without it.

Re: G8 agenda calls for "civilized Internet": monitored, governed, controlled, taxed

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Post by chopsueyar »

bluedanieru wrote: post #106
chopsueyar wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, let them get their way, and the whole internet will crumble and become useless for everyone (see Directive 10-289). I personally, am prepared to walk away. I grew up with BBSs and 2400bps dialup, only one user at a time connecting. It was not horrible. I remeber downloading .gl video files over dialup, too. This level of communication is completely feasible today without relying on any corporate or government o…

I don't know where I would go to buy a modem these days. Perhaps, if I find one, I'll add it to my disaster kit.

More like ad-hoc wifi, or a bunch of customized WRT54Gs.

But since you asked... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16825104...

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