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G8 agenda calls for "civilized Internet": monitored, governed, controlled, taxed

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Re: G8 agenda calls for "civilized Internet": monitored, governed, controlled, taxed

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I really don't understand people who come with such propositions. When life is so short, yet the possibilities of freedom limitless, why would you choose to be anything else other than free?

They are free, they just dont want you to have that freedom, and also some people enjoy having power over others. They think that power gives them more freedom.

Re: G8 agenda calls for "civilized Internet": monitored, governed, controlled, taxed

#12
post #6

This in accord with the emerging counterforce of various anonymous networking projects that are reaching the state of being usable. These networks are likely to evolve to the point where, instead of using proxies and non-standard protocols, the users actually access a regular IPv6 subnet that simply uses the onion-routed private network such as Phantom or I2P as the carrier. I say IPv6 because nearly all operating sy…

I agree that even the Great Firewall of China can easily be beaten by simply using Tor, however, it is now our democratic duty to prevent this from becoming a necessity in the western world.

Re: G8 agenda calls for "civilized Internet": monitored, governed, controlled, taxed

#13
This article is a sensationalist piece with very little content, the HN headline is misleading (the words "tax" and "monitor" do not appear anywhere on the target webpage), and the comments are impassioned soapbox generalizations.

This is HN at its worst.

Re: G8 agenda calls for "civilized Internet": monitored, governed, controlled, taxed

#15

This is a clear case where we see the idea that governments should represent the will of their citizens break down completely. Every power structure serves its own needs first. In areas where the interest of governmental systems and the citizens are in alignment, democracy can work - but when there is a conflict between the will of a power structure to extend its power and influence and the desires of the citizens, g…

Counter argument: why do you want to allow gay-married Muslim homosexual commies to sneak into our country and piss on our burning flag after taking our jobs and blowing up our kindergartens? Is that what you want? puppy-AIDS and Sharia law?

Re: G8 agenda calls for "civilized Internet": monitored, governed, controlled, taxed

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post #12
post #6

This in accord with the emerging counterforce of various anonymous networking projects that are reaching the state of being usable. These networks are likely to evolve to the point where, instead of using proxies and non-standard protocols, the users actually access a regular IPv6 subnet that simply uses the onion-routed private network such as Phantom or I2P as the carrier. I say IPv6 because nearly all operating sy…

I agree that even the Great Firewall of China can easily be beaten by simply using Tor, however, it is now our democratic duty to prevent this from becoming a necessity in the western world.

Also, if every country had the Great Firewall, there wouldn't be a Tor to get out of any of them, period.

Re: G8 agenda calls for "civilized Internet": monitored, governed, controlled, taxed

#17
The corporations, rich and powerful want (at least the illusion) of full control over the communication channels so they can prevent honest people from organizing en masse and rising up. What is happening here in Madrid is a first for this country: http://www.tvspain.tv/blog/?p=3026

Re: G8 agenda calls for "civilized Internet": monitored, governed, controlled, taxed

#18
post #9

I really don't understand people who come with such propositions. When life is so short, yet the possibilities of freedom limitless, why would you choose to be anything else other than free?

Greed

Don't forget fear. A small number of people are driven by greed - just about everyone else falls in line out of fear.

Fear of change, fear of the unknown, fear of other races, fear of the stranger at the playground, fear of the poor, fear of being poor, fear of losing their job, fear of a bad school district, fear of the police, fear of judgment by their peers, fear of standing out, fear of individualism, fear of crime both real and imagined... These are the defining attributes of modern life for many.

Re: G8 agenda calls for "civilized Internet": monitored, governed, controlled, taxed

#19
post #15

This is a clear case where we see the idea that governments should represent the will of their citizens break down completely. Every power structure serves its own needs first. In areas where the interest of governmental systems and the citizens are in alignment, democracy can work - but when there is a conflict between the will of a power structure to extend its power and influence and the desires of the citizens, g…

Counter argument: why do you want to allow gay-married Muslim homosexual commies to sneak into our country and piss on our burning flag after taking our jobs and blowing up our kindergartens? Is that what you want? puppy-AIDS and Sharia law?

That is not an argument, that is a propaganda tool used against the easily-persuaded.

Re: G8 agenda calls for "civilized Internet": monitored, governed, controlled, taxed

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Counter argument: why do you want to allow gay-married Muslim homosexual commies to sneak into our country and piss on our burning flag after taking our jobs and blowing up our kindergartens? Is that what you want? puppy-AIDS and Sharia law?

That is not an argument, that is a propaganda tool used against the easily-persuaded.

The easily-persuaded pretty much describes the majority of the electorate, at least in my country.

The average American votes against his best interest. The official response to any opposition to totalitarian tactics is .. FUD. Something only less blatant than what I have written above.

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