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Re: Update on an Employee Matter

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Post by nailer »

Griffinsauce wrote: post #104
nailer wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Further: the employee was seen to be mischaracterising the protestors/rioters (take your pic) as nazis. The claims 'there were literal nazi flags' (see https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/8a1wytwIU2Ic52sok2ly14RUQNM=... ) seem to based on the very broad assumption that Confederate, Kekistan, upside down US flags, 'release the kraken' etc flags are Nazis. See https://qz.com/1953366/decoding-the-pro-trump-insurrectionis...…

There is lots of evidence that there were nazis among the insurrectionists. Shirts with references to Aushwitch, "six million wasn't enough" etc. How much research have you done before reaching your very definitive and incorrect conclusion?

The "'six million wasn't enough' at the Capitol" was a hoax. See the update above. How much research did you do?

Re: Update on an Employee Matter

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Post by dot1x »

babelfish wrote: post #24
pjc50 wrote: post #15

> Our head of HR has taken personal accountability and resigned from GitHub yesterday morning, Saturday, January 16th. You don't normally see consequences for senior officers for this kind of mistake. I would be curious to know who this person was and if they had any odd political affiliations.

When you fire a Jewish employee for (rightfully) calling out that Nazis were present at last weeks insurrection, but not folks who make jokes like “Hitler gave the Jews free healthcare” (per the Verge article another commenter posted), there better be consequences at the VP level

You can stop at "When you fire a Jewish".

Re: Update on an Employee Matter

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Post by DanBC »

tomp wrote: post #231
jakelazaroff wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These were quite literal neo-Nazis engaged in a literal terrorist attack. I really don’t understand the hand wringing over describing it accurately.

As a Londoner and European, I’d love to exchange our terrorists (that literally blow up kids, shoot them point blank, and decapitate and drive over people) for US “domestic terrorists” that ... take selfies (yeah a few people died unfortunately, not too surprising for a riot with a massive security failure, but far from a literal terrorist attack).

> or US “domestic terrorists” that ... take selfies

Tomp ignoring the churches that get shot up and bombed, the synagogues that get shot up, the mosques that get fire bombed.

Re: Update on an Employee Matter

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Post by tomp »

DanBC wrote: post #253
tomp wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Londoner and European, I’d love to exchange our terrorists (that literally blow up kids, shoot them point blank, and decapitate and drive over people) for US “domestic terrorists” that ... take selfies (yeah a few people died unfortunately, not too surprising for a riot with a massive security failure, but far from a literal terrorist attack).

> or US “domestic terrorists” that ... take selfies Tomp ignoring the churches that get shot up and bombed, the synagogues that get shot up, the mosques that get fire bombed.

I don't object to calling those people terrorists. Note that I also included "shoot kids point blank" in my comment, which was a direct reference to Breivik, inb4 "only muslims can be terrorists"

Re: Update on an Employee Matter

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Post by Griffinsauce »

nailer wrote: post #251
Griffinsauce wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is lots of evidence that there were nazis among the insurrectionists. Shirts with references to Aushwitch, "six million wasn't enough" etc. How much research have you done before reaching your very definitive and incorrect conclusion?

The "'six million wasn't enough' at the Capitol" was a hoax. See the update above. How much research did you do?

Witnesses stated they saw it. The picture being circulated is an example. Some people ran with that being a shot from there.

So "hoax"? Not quite, but granted, there is no evidence as of yet.

Okay so we're down to several references to Aushwitch then. Plus the fact that the groups involved have a well documented connection.

Re: Update on an Employee Matter

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Post by throwaway_6142 »

chandra381 wrote: post #241
throwaway_6142 wrote: post #151

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How is it ad-hominem?

You've spent your entire comment attacking an imagined "left" instead of engaging with the content of the article or contributing meaningfully to the discussion. > The left thinks their ideological enemies are war criminals who should be executed without trial, or even better be defamed into unemployability and homelessness and hopefully commit suicide, the ultimate triumph for the far-left mob. This is.. false on so…

nice dishonest changing of the meaning of the quote by removing part of the sentence.

In any case it's not ad hominem to attack an ideology or a behavior.

I tried editing my original comment immediately after posting to clarify I'm talking about the activist far left, not the average democrat (although with all the impeachment nonsense, who knows anymore) but I was prevented from doing so by malicious flagging seconds after posting, as usual on this board if you are not far left. I know from experience, and so do you, that far leftists gleefully celebrate any little damage they can inflict on their ideological opponents, including petty things like malicious flagging and mass downvoting to supress differing opinions.

I understand you're trying to "draw me out in the open" or whatever you guys call it these days, so you can cancel me, too. So no, what is telling is that almost all conservative or libertarian comments on this board are made from throwaways.

The original comment was meant as a warning to young conservatives who naively belive honesty and good intentions will save them. The fact that my predictions were accurate should speak for itself.

Re: Update on an Employee Matter

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Post by jakelazaroff »

dustinmoris wrote: post #250
jakelazaroff wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are discussing a conflict between American employees in a US-based office about an event involving American residents. It should be clear that I’m specifically referring to American conservatives.

Conservative Jews were first vindicated for being Jewish in the 1940s and now the same people are being vindicated by the next ignorant group for being conservative, because people like think it is ok to blame an entire group of people based on personal, religious or political beliefs which do no harm. Conservatism isn’t harmful. Conservative Jews also hate Nazis.

I don’t know what point you’re trying to make. I’m simply saying that (American) conservatives get uncomfortable if you point out how often they end up standing beside literal neo-Nazis, which you can easily see on display in the comments for this article.

> Conservative Jews also hate Nazis.

Tell that to Stephen Miller.

Also, vindicated means “proven correct”.

Re: Update on an Employee Matter

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Post by rudyrigot »

sam_lowry_ wrote: post #177
biermic wrote: post #109

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Independent from the events: The way Github employees communicate with each other makes me kind of uncomfortable. In the companies I've worked here in Europe, such discussions just would not happen in a cooperate chat room.

Last week in Europe, I was reprimanded by an US-based C-level exec for using the word "annoying" while asking a question about email filtering in a corporate Slack channel. Can't imagine being still employed if I used the word Nazi there. People in US are broadcasting hypocrisy onto the world. None can feel safe.

When taking a group of hundreds of millions of people with the same trait (such as their nationality), it’s easiest to compartmentalize and expect them all to think the same and behave the same. So when inevitably individuals or subcultures in that group have differences, it’s easiest to call it hypocritical.

I’ve been a European in American companies where saying “I don’t like that VP” in public would raise serious eyebrows, and I’ve been part of other American companies where saying “the VP Product is a fucking idiot” in public would make everyone laugh. It’s not the first time I hear GitHub fancies itself to be a bit edgy in culture, and I’m personally not into it, but it doesn’t make them hypocritical because some other guy you know, and you need to put in the same bucket, is different.

Re: Update on an Employee Matter

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Post by ben_w »

HarryHirsch wrote: post #121
babelfish wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you fire a Jewish employee for (rightfully) calling out that Nazis were present at last weeks insurrection, but not folks who make jokes like “Hitler gave the Jews free healthcare” (per the Verge article another commenter posted), there better be consequences at the VP level

Yeah, Github sure sounds like a lovely company to work for, and tone is set at the top.

So far as I’m concerned, how people and organisations react to their mistakes when they are revealed matters a lot more than the fact that they make mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes, improving in response to them is what matters.

Re: Update on an Employee Matter

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Post by nailer »

Griffinsauce wrote: post #255
nailer wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "'six million wasn't enough' at the Capitol" was a hoax. See the update above. How much research did you do?

Witnesses stated they saw it. The picture being circulated is an example. Some people ran with that being a shot from there. So "hoax"? Not quite, but granted, there is no evidence as of yet. Okay so we're down to several references to Aushwitch then. Plus the fact that the groups involved have a well documented connection.

No. Someone confirmed the picture as being from a different event. That the '6 million' shirt was at the Capitol is proven false.

We're down to one Auschwitz reference. One too many. But still nothing like 'actual Nazi flags'.

Again: how much research did you do?

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