Live data from Hacker News

Neil Armstrong's bootprint on the moon is now protected by U.S. law

astronomy.com

41–50 of 58 posts

Re: Neil Armstrong's bootprint on the moon is now protected by U.S. law

#41

In other news, the entire Universe is a nature park according to the town council of Nowhere, Wyoming. Just kidding. But what's the point of legislating things beyond our control?

It's just a CB fabrication since their spy network built up to 60 for "instigate trade conflict." The US needs a reason to pad it's pockets when times get tough.

Re: Neil Armstrong's bootprint on the moon is now protected by U.S. law

#42

So what would be the penalty if someone does something happens to it? Not flippant question as I am genuinely interested.

how utterly arrogant and entitled this headline sounds. A case of "US superiority" which makes me want the Russians or the Chinese to nuke the ruddy thing just so they have some additional thing to whine about.

Your anger is making you illogical.

This is a treasure of humanity’s achievement; and since there is no global governance body, it makes sense to start here.

Re: Neil Armstrong's bootprint on the moon is now protected by U.S. law

#43
Not that the US has a long history of caring a great deal about jurisdiction, but the US ratified the Outer Space Treaty which denies specific jurisdiction over parts of the moon to countries on earth. They can likely make laws concerning the LM landing stages they left up there---which probably remain US property---but the footprints would be considered either for the benefit of all mankind or possibly vandalism that the US may be required to clean up by other signatories.

Re: Neil Armstrong's bootprint on the moon is now protected by U.S. law

#44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The USA is more likely on a steady course of becoming increasingly less relevant to anyone but themselves. While it is certainly true that the USA is loosing it's status as the world's only superpower, it is still very much the most powerfull country and will probably stay, if not number 1, at least in the top 3 for at least the rest of our lifetime. I wouldn't call that irrelevant.

However, the US has about entirely lost their status as a model. As-is, following US legislation would require some amount of apologetic discourse anywhere outside of North America. (That the US have left the international community for the most, or, at least, have proposed to do so – especially, when it comes to treaties and jurisdiction – doesn't especially help either.)

The US stumbled into becoming a model only due to the behavior of European nations constantly fighting each other every century.

Especially post Vietnam, it should never have been regarded as the model, humanity needs competing systems to better allocate risk.

Re: Neil Armstrong's bootprint on the moon is now protected by U.S. law

#47
post #40
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That wouldn't be cricket https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj-7SPf8_Qk Cricket on the moon would sure be interesting.

What about a moonlap? 3.5 hour drive in a Cybertruck?

But then one would miss out on hitting the ball out of the 'park' aided by Moon's weakened gravity :)

Re: Neil Armstrong's bootprint on the moon is now protected by U.S. law

#48
post #33
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Who cares about a U.S. law outside of US jurisdiction? Alas, Julian Assange for one, as an Australian citizen, indicted for breaking a US law while not in the US. The recent UK court decision not to extradite him to the US nevertheless in no way disputes US standing nor jurisdiction, and he remains in custody while the US appeals. So, we're all living in America.

There's nothing unusual about this. Obviously you don't have to physically be in a country to commit a crime in that country. If I'm a German citizen residing in France hacking UK hospitals, the UK very obviously would want brought to justice, which both France and Germany would happily agree to in this case, I'd imagine.

An unfortunate set of choices you made for the countries there, replace the UK with another EU country and it would stand.

> As things stand at the time of writing, following the UK’s departure from the EU [...], the UK will no longer be part of the European Arrest Warrant (EAW) system. This means that, unless and until other arrangements are agreed, future extradition requests with European states will be governed, as with many countries outside the EU, by the 1957 Convention on Extradition, leading to increased costs, delay and complexity in extradition proceedings. Certain EU states already do not extradite their citizens to countries outside the EU. Three EU states – Germany, Austria and Slovenia – have already announced that they may even refuse to surrender their respective nationals to the UK pursuant to an EAW during the transition period.

Re: Neil Armstrong's bootprint on the moon is now protected by U.S. law

#49
post #6
post #3

Just reading the headline leads me to the immediate reaction: Who cares about a U.S. law outside of US jurisdiction? If the U.S. wants other countries to follow the same rules they need to make international treaties like the outer space treaty from 1967. That requires actual diplomacy of course.

> Who cares about a U.S. law outside of US jurisdiction? Alas, Julian Assange for one, as an Australian citizen, indicted for breaking a US law while not in the US. The recent UK court decision not to extradite him to the US nevertheless in no way disputes US standing nor jurisdiction, and he remains in custody while the US appeals. So, we're all living in America.

they even use copyright law to hunt and extradite you if they can, Kim Schmitz (aka dotkom) is a good example of what they can do even if you've never set foot in their country. Not to mention those imprisoned and tortured on a US black site or Gitmo (or your friendly neighborhood concentration camp run by ICE).

Re: Neil Armstrong's bootprint on the moon is now protected by U.S. law

#50
I am SHOCKED at the ignorance of some comments here on how the timing and passing of legislation works in Congress. This was enacted on Dec. 31, 2020 but passed earlier, being introduced with bipartisan support the spring/summer (for house and senate, respectively) of 2019! Does anyone read before commenting? Talk about assumptions. Perhaps this is why the ills some are complaining about seem ubiquitous in their worldview.
Post reply on HN