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E Ink has developed a 2nd generation Advanced Color E-Paper

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Re: E Ink has developed a 2nd generation Advanced Color E-Paper

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Wouldn't e-ink be in CMY(K) instead of RGB since it's reflective?

No, still RGB. We're not mixing pigments, just using subpixels.

The printed dot in a CMYK raster doesn't mix pigments either!

Re: E Ink has developed a 2nd generation Advanced Color E-Paper

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I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say here. Are you implying that they could price gouge even more than they already are and are keeping prices relatively low out of the goodness of their hearts?

I think their point is that these companies gave us cheap memory in the first place. Which is an important thing to remember. The distruptors of days past are the monopolists of today. And they themselves will be disrupted one day.

> The distruptors of days past are the monopolists of today. And they themselves will be disrupted one day.

I can think of a few that can’t be disrupted soon enough.

Re: E Ink has developed a 2nd generation Advanced Color E-Paper

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I strongly disagree about patents. This is the patent system working as designed. It incentivized a company to invent a new thing, and gave them a monopoly for a reasonable amount of time (20 years). When it ends, others can operate in the space. I agree about copyright, though. Copyright has been expanded to cover software and even APIs. Copyright is a giant drag on innovation. A single company can tie up a space fo…

Clearly it is not, e-Ink, 3d printing, VR, and hosts of other technology has been held back not advanced because of patents Now that is not to say I would advocate for complete removal of the patent systems but I do think Compulsory FRAND style licensing should be a requirement of obtaining a patent Your distinction between Copyright and Patent is also strang as the suffer from the same flaw so it seems your only jus…

Held back might be the tradeoff we have to pay for letting them exist in the first place. Developing new technologies is not cheap or trivial- especially hardware innovations. I'd rather have a delayed 20 year start to fast e ink innovation than have e ink never get the r&d funding needed to get past the valley of death and make it to market in the first place.

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Another example of how IP laws have become an enemy of the goals society had when passing them, which is not to enrich a few corporations but to incentivize innovation, but now it is clear copyright, and patents today are doing far more HARM to innovation than they advance it As such we as a society need to look hard at those laws and policies to reform them Sadly the large corporations have a huge amounts of lobby m…

I strongly disagree about patents. This is the patent system working as designed. It incentivized a company to invent a new thing, and gave them a monopoly for a reasonable amount of time (20 years). When it ends, others can operate in the space. I agree about copyright, though. Copyright has been expanded to cover software and even APIs. Copyright is a giant drag on innovation. A single company can tie up a space fo…

20 years is not a reasonable amount of time for technological products in current times.

Re: E Ink has developed a 2nd generation Advanced Color E-Paper

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What’s your thoughts on ever using color eInk for coding/development? - easier on the eyes - hammock driven development What do you think the refresh rates would need to be to do that?

Probably at least 1 Hz to even be slightly usable as a screen you are composing or editing on, but current refresh times are multiple seconds so there's still likely a long way to go...

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Another example of how IP laws have become an enemy of the goals society had when passing them, which is not to enrich a few corporations but to incentivize innovation, but now it is clear copyright, and patents today are doing far more HARM to innovation than they advance it As such we as a society need to look hard at those laws and policies to reform them Sadly the large corporations have a huge amounts of lobby m…

I strongly disagree about patents. This is the patent system working as designed. It incentivized a company to invent a new thing, and gave them a monopoly for a reasonable amount of time (20 years). When it ends, others can operate in the space. I agree about copyright, though. Copyright has been expanded to cover software and even APIs. Copyright is a giant drag on innovation. A single company can tie up a space fo…

Facebook is only 16 years old. Think about that. 20 years ago everyone was using 56k modems and JS barely existed.

20 years is an absurdly long time in tech

Re: E Ink has developed a 2nd generation Advanced Color E-Paper

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Don’t forget 3D printing that also only really started when patents expired.

Between 2007-2009, 80+ Stratasys patents expired. Think about this - a single company holding back the world in advancing forward in 3D printing. Orthogonally, ever wondered why memory on your PC is so expensive? Thanks to Micron, Hynix and Samsung triopoly.

> Orthogonally, ever wondered why memory on your PC is so expensive? Thanks to Micron, Hynix and Samsung triopoly.

Should have mentioned https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRAM_price_fixing. It's not just speculative.

Re: E Ink has developed a 2nd generation Advanced Color E-Paper

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E-ink is one of those techs that only advanced when large batches of patents expire. E-ink the company has tied up the tech stack in so many patents, NDA's, and exorbitant prices that no one wants to touch it. E-ink the technology wont go any where for 10-15 years when that next big batch of patents expire. Its just like 3D displays and VR there will be a massive consumer push new batches of patents will be filed pro…

And this is why patent duration should be tied to product lifecycle length. Pharma where you need 10 years to pull off clinical trials could keep 23 years, but consumer hardware where new generation of devices launch within 2 years should be limited to 10 years. Software should likely be limited to 5 years.

Re: E Ink has developed a 2nd generation Advanced Color E-Paper

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I've heard people argue that e-ink displays would be in much wider use if the patent-holding company weren't so protective of the technology. So the news I'm waiting to hear is when E-Ink the company decides to loosen up its business practices.

not going to happen it s the only thing they have and they know its a cash cow if it gets wide adoption unfortunately they have gotten greedy and no one will pay it. They also seem to think their market is digital signage and aren't that interested in licensing for other mass market consumer products despite the fact the market it has been adopted most in is e-readers

Is it true that e-readers is the largest market for e-ink?

Supermarkets alone use each thousands of e-ink displays for shelf price labels for example, I wouldn't be surprised if that was a more profitable market than e-readers for e-ink, and also much easier to cater to.

Re: E Ink has developed a 2nd generation Advanced Color E-Paper

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So I’ll ask here as there may be some lurkers who can help me in my quest:

I am trying to find a basic e-reader.

I have a simple want: I want a built in browser that will let me download ePub and pdf etc from the browser.

I’m not interested in bundled bookstores. I’m not keen on having to load books onto it via a pc app nor emailing them nor having an Amazon account neither. I just want to be able to browse and download FanFiction and stuff like that from a basic browser.

I am guessing I want an android tablet with an e-ink screen? What choices do I have and what do people recommend?

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