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Re: US Navy – Tic Tac UFO – High frequency gravitational wave generator

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Post by erikerikson » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 6:28 AM UTC

bdowling wrote: post #37

mypalmike wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If an invention cannot be "reduced to practice", it is not patentable. My understanding is that reduction to practice means the invention has been actually built by the inventor, or that it is fully disclosed in a patent application such that a reasonably skilled person could construct the invention. If an invention hinges on some entirely theoretical concept that can not be demonstrated by even the most highly skill…

> ... some entirely theoretical concept that can not be demonstrated by even the most highly skilled people... In that type of case, I would expect the patent to fail the utility requirement (§101). But attacking it on written description or enablement (§112(a)) might work as well.

What are these referencing? Ah...

§101: https://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/s2104.html

§112(a): https://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/s2161.html

Re: US Navy – Tic Tac UFO – High frequency gravitational wave generator

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Post by kordlessagain » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 6:45 AM UTC

voldacar wrote: post #48

ksaj wrote: post #5

This relies on the existence of the graviton, which at this point is is not actually known to exist. Some would even argue that there is no reason for it to exist. There are a few competing theories of gravity that don't jive at all with what's discussed in pseudo-factual language in the patent. It doesn't help that his only source cited seems to be his own, albeit peer reviewed, paper. I hope that paper at least cit…

If we posit that the graviton does exist and suspend all disbelief, is the rest of the patent logically sound? If the theoretical basis of this device is correct, would it actually do what it claims to?

Gravity is the result of the bending of spacetime, but what about the monopole[1]?

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3xH97Su-KY

Re: US Navy – Tic Tac UFO – High frequency gravitational wave generator

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 6:46 AM UTC

Barrin92 wrote: post #41

miles wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there are a few different perspective/camera quirks coming together in these videos which can (apparently) trick even well trained pilots. How does that explain the radar readings? "The tic tac – so-called because of its rounded shape and white colour – was caught on video as the US Navy attempted to identify a series of objects spotted on radar flying off America’s west coast in November 2004. ... The sighting cam…

Mick Wests breakdown is sufficient to explain all of the actual footage we have, and you can verify it yourself by doing trigonometry with the data on the screen. It's completely unnecessary to appeal to the credentials of fighter pilots, following this logic I'd have to believe in Mermaids given how many sailors have allegedly spotted one over the centuries. It's truly astonishing that a man who provides a basic, mu…

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Re: US Navy – Tic Tac UFO – High frequency gravitational wave generator

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Post by thysultan » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 6:56 AM UTC

philip142au wrote: post #10

It’s rubbish, whatever propulsion method you have you still need to push the air out of the way to move the thing forwards which takes the same energy using imaginary gravitational waves or a jet engine. No magic is going to make the air get out of the way any faster

The appeal of gravitational propulsion is in replacing xyz propulsion fuel with electricity regardless of medium(vacuum or not).

Re: US Navy – Tic Tac UFO – High frequency gravitational wave generator

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 6:59 AM UTC

miles wrote: post #17

lwansbrough wrote: post #15

This whole thing has a very boring, very likely answer described in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le7Fqbsrrm8&t=1300s Essentially, there are a few different perspective/camera quirks coming together in these videos which can (apparently) trick even well trained pilots.

> there are a few different perspective/camera quirks coming together in these videos which can (apparently) trick even well trained pilots. How does that explain the radar readings? "The tic tac – so-called because of its rounded shape and white colour – was caught on video as the US Navy attempted to identify a series of objects spotted on radar flying off America’s west coast in November 2004. ... The sighting cam…

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Re: US Navy – Tic Tac UFO – High frequency gravitational wave generator

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Post by jml7c5 » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 7:02 AM UTC

miles wrote: post #17

lwansbrough wrote: post #15

This whole thing has a very boring, very likely answer described in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le7Fqbsrrm8&t=1300s Essentially, there are a few different perspective/camera quirks coming together in these videos which can (apparently) trick even well trained pilots.

> there are a few different perspective/camera quirks coming together in these videos which can (apparently) trick even well trained pilots. How does that explain the radar readings? "The tic tac – so-called because of its rounded shape and white colour – was caught on video as the US Navy attempted to identify a series of objects spotted on radar flying off America’s west coast in November 2004. ... The sighting cam…

>How does that explain the radar readings?

How do radar readings matter to what's in the video? The video doesn't show radar readings.

That would only be a valid criticism if the object seen in the video was directly associated with strange radar readings, but it wasn't.

Re: US Navy – Tic Tac UFO – High frequency gravitational wave generator

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Post by jml7c5 » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 7:08 AM UTC

ubertoop wrote: post #2

Check out these patents currently assigned to US Secretary of Navy and invented by "Salvatore Cezar Pais" https://patents.google.com/?inventor=Salvatore+Cezar+Pais Then think about the tic tac ufo UFO reports from US Navy fighter pilots [1] What's going on here? Disinformation campaign from US Navy? Actual patents? Maybe the downloadbal PDFs are malware vectors for espionage? Seems highly unlikely that this tech actu…

It's crackpots the whole way down. The whole Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (which is responsible for the release of the Navy UFO videos) was spearheaded by Robert Bigelow, who bought "Skinwalker Ranch" because he believed there were inter-dimensional portals and aliens were mutilating cows.

It turns out crackpots can get government funding, too.

Re: US Navy – Tic Tac UFO – High frequency gravitational wave generator

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 7:12 AM UTC

Barrin92 wrote: post #41

miles wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there are a few different perspective/camera quirks coming together in these videos which can (apparently) trick even well trained pilots. How does that explain the radar readings? "The tic tac – so-called because of its rounded shape and white colour – was caught on video as the US Navy attempted to identify a series of objects spotted on radar flying off America’s west coast in November 2004. ... The sighting cam…

Mick Wests breakdown is sufficient to explain all of the actual footage we have, and you can verify it yourself by doing trigonometry with the data on the screen. It's completely unnecessary to appeal to the credentials of fighter pilots, following this logic I'd have to believe in Mermaids given how many sailors have allegedly spotted one over the centuries. It's truly astonishing that a man who provides a basic, mu…

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Re: US Navy – Tic Tac UFO – High frequency gravitational wave generator

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Post by user3939382 » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 7:13 AM UTC

lwansbrough wrote: post #15

This whole thing has a very boring, very likely answer described in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le7Fqbsrrm8&t=1300s Essentially, there are a few different perspective/camera quirks coming together in these videos which can (apparently) trick even well trained pilots.

The original observer of the tic tac defeats Mick West's ideas based on his expert knowledge of the equipment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB8zcAttP1E&t=9001s

Re: US Navy – Tic Tac UFO – High frequency gravitational wave generator

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Post by antognini » Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 7:18 AM UTC

Tangentially related, but when I was an undergrad at Caltech there was a device in a nook of the astrophysics building labeled "Gravitational wave generator" that had the appropriate two-decades-outdated look of equipment you'd find in a random physics lab.

It was two little weights in the shape of a dumbbell attached to a motor. There was a knob that allowed you to specify the frequency of the gravitational waves you wanted to generate, and when you flipped it on, the weights would start spinning, thereby generating gravitational waves at your specified frequency.

I always found it amusing that someone went to the trouble to make that.