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Re: Google Safe Browsing can kill a startup

#71
If their claim is false, then is it, in any jurisdiction, libelous?

Maybe, legislation to bring consequences for false claims will help ensure algorithms, and the support teams that monitor them, do a better job. In an internet focused world, especially one with lock downs, wiping sites off of the internet with false claims is a heinously bad act.

Re: Google Safe Browsing can kill a startup

#72

I wonder if it would be faster to deal with this through legal. I’m not a lawyer, but I wonder if you could send a C&D to Google legal or something because this seems like an actual case of slander and reputation damage.

If your systems have any number of nines in their SLA, drafting a letter to Google's legal department is not a viable strategy.

Re: Google Safe Browsing can kill a startup

#73

I wonder if it would be faster to deal with this through legal. I’m not a lawyer, but I wonder if you could send a C&D to Google legal or something because this seems like an actual case of slander and reputation damage.

To any lawyers or even well-read armchair legal analysts, could this be a case of libel?

Re: Google Safe Browsing can kill a startup

#74
post #34

> I received an automated email confirming that the review had been successful around 2 hours after that fact. No clarification was given about what caused the problem in the first place. ... We never properly established the cause of the issue, but we chalked it up to some AI tripping on acid at Google's HQ. I expect more of this Kafkaesque experience to come in the future. This is no longer a technical problem, but…

Author here. The second time around, the review confirmation email took around 12 hours to get to us.

Re: Google Safe Browsing can kill a startup

#75
Of particular note:

"Don't host any customer generated data in your main domains. A lot of the cases of blacklisting that I found while researching this issue were caused by SaaS customers unknowingly uploading malicious files onto servers. Those files are harmless to the systems themselves, but their very existence can cause the whole domain to be blacklisted. Anything that your users upload onto your apps should be hosted outside your main domains. For example: use companyusercontent.com to store files uploaded by customers."

Re: Google Safe Browsing can kill a startup

#76

After years of seeing developments like this, getting worse and worse, it fills me with rage to think about how clearly nobody in power at Google cares. I naively used to think, "they probably don't realize what's happening and will fix it." I always try to give benefit of the doubt, especially having been on the other side so many times and seeing how 9 times out of 10 it's not malice, just incompetence, apathy, or…

I'm with you on the rest, but what has DO done to not have the benefit of doubt?

Also, to your point, an organization becomes something else than the sum of its parts, especially the bigger it gets.

Google can be a malicious actor without necessarily having individuals make act maliciously.

Re: Google Safe Browsing can kill a startup

#77

I’ve being increasingly wary of Google’s offerings altogether. Their ban hammer seems to be driven by Mr Magoo, who looks at everything and sees threats, and makes judgements.

Yes, but an inverted magoo. Mr. Magoo assumed the best intentions of everything he bumped into (and misunderstood).

Re: Google Safe Browsing can kill a startup

#78

After years of seeing developments like this, getting worse and worse, it fills me with rage to think about how clearly nobody in power at Google cares. I naively used to think, "they probably don't realize what's happening and will fix it." I always try to give benefit of the doubt, especially having been on the other side so many times and seeing how 9 times out of 10 it's not malice, just incompetence, apathy, or…

"never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" and all that, but after the events and the almost perfectly orchestrated behavior we've seen in the past and last couple of weeks it's becoming increasingly difficult, at least to me, to not attribute this to malice. Probably deliberate negligence is a better term. They know their systems can make mistakes, of course they do, and yet they bui…

>”never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"

I keep reading this on the internet as if it’s some sort of truism, but every situation in life is not a court where a prosecutor is trying to prove intent.

There is insufficient time and resources to evaluate each and every circumstance to determine each and every causative factor, so we have to use heuristics to get by and make the best guesses. And sometimes, even many times, people do act with malice to get what they want. But they’re obviously not going to leave a paper trail for you to be able to prove it.

Re: Google Safe Browsing can kill a startup

#79
post #8

Is there any reason that Google couldn't, or wouldn't, repurpose Google Safe Browsing to blacklist sites that are "unsafe" due to under- or poorly moderated content? E.g. doing this to Parler after they find hosting again? I can't think of a reliable one.

There's a very obvious reason not to do that: if you apparently maliciously cry wolf a few times, people won't trust your cries any more, and, for example, other browsers might choose to stop using the Google Safe Browsing list.

Author here. I think it's too late in the cycle for that. This list is too widespread and anyone that is banned from it needs to immediately work around the issue somehow, therefore reducing the visibility of the problems.

Re: Google Safe Browsing can kill a startup

#80
post #46
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Author here. I don't think it's malice on their part, but their hammer is too big to be wielded so carelessly.

Great article. It’s not malice, it’s indifference. Googles execs and veeps don’t care about small businesses, because most are career ladder climbers who went straight from elite colleges to big companies. Conformists who won’t ever know what it’s like to be a startup. As a group, empathy isn’t a thing for them.

Don't a lot of startup founders go to elite colleges and come from big companies?
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