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Post by dragonwriter »

nostromo wrote: post #153
hwillis wrote: post #146

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> The book, she said, “was generating wide acclaim for its racist views” and her intention in opening the letter “with an absurd claim that Black people are superior based on the melanin in their skin” was to “hold up a mirror to reflect how reprehensible the premise of black inferiority was set.” > “It was meant to express an equally absurd point of view — fighting one ridiculous absurd racist theory with another ri…

So she sets the record straight over 20 years later, only after being appointed by Biden, that she was only pretending to be racist. Yeah... sure... Would you accept this statement from a white supremacist? Again, we need consistent rules against racism. Otherwise you're opening the door to racists and extremists on both sides.

> So she sets the record straight over 20 years later

The record is set straight in the first sentence of the letter, which explains the intended role of the things presented : In response to those who defend The Bell Curve (“Defending The Bell Curve,” Opinion, Oct. 24, 1994), please use the following theories and observations to assist you in your search for truth regarding the genetic differences between Blacks and whites.

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Post by dragonwriter »

nostromo wrote: post #204
anigbrowl wrote: post #190

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So she sets the record straight over 20 years later, only after being appointed by Biden, that she was only pretending to be racist. Yeah... sure.. From your own link: Later, in an interview with The Crimson, Clarke suggested that "The information [contained in the letter] is not necessarily something we believe, but some information that we think those pursuing a true understanding of The Bell Curve theory should ei…

At the time her response was that she doesn't necessarily believe in black superiority... it's just something people should address. Does this sound ok to your ears? If this was a white supremacist, we would all correctly be shouting about how it's a dog whistle and not an acceptable response. I wish more people would read 'How to Be an Antiracist.' I believe he's absolute right in that the only way forward is to cal…

> At the time her response was that she doesn’t necessarily believe in black superiority…

“We” is not the same as “I”. She was speaking on behalf of a group, and a group which may not have even discussed their actual beliefs on the truth of the “theories and observations” presented, as that was not the purpose for which they were (explicitly, in the letters own terms) presented.

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Post by kristopolous »

gambiting wrote: post #163
kristopolous wrote: post #152

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I haven't seen enough direct evidence to attribute that. It's very plausible but I don't want to lump independent groups together. In the same way that many leftist groups really don't like each other and it's probably wrong to lump them together.

But attribute what? I'm just saying that plenty of people believe this. No attribution whatsoever.

Oh sorry, I thought you postulated the birthers and qanon believers were the same people.

Totally plausible but I haven't seen direct evidence. (I also haven't, say, done any analysis of historical tweets from qanon believers for the evidence)

It's ultimately unimportant as they're both part of the same overarching bullshit movement, but something sounding logical doesn't constitute valid evidence.

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Post by ajkdhcb2 »

sprash wrote: post #179
ajkdhcb2 wrote: post #162

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All BTC privacy technologies will be opt-in, and all empirical evidence shows this doesnt work - both from a technical and sociological perspective. On the technical side, analysis is always much more difficult to stop than people think. In terms of people's behaviour, adoption is nearly impossible and services will ban or flag such transactions, if mining pools even mine the transaction. Sure grandma can just practi…

The problem is not that the technologies are opt-in. The problem is that there is no simple UI implementation at this point in time. In the end any anonymized Lightning Wallet transaction will be just as simple as scanning a QR code with a simple slider that lets you choose the level of anonymity. And the ability to "opt-in" will give the market the opportunity to properly price anonymity. This is a feature not a bug…

It speaks for itself that yours is a very fringe opinion: none of these claims are strongly supported with evidence at this point of time.

Saying the privacy properties are already solved and settled is ridiculous, none of the literature or other information supports that

Only a fool would say it is certain that everyone will have magic instant, scalable, cheap, perfectly private btc transactions and it's already solved and settled

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Post by redisman »

adnzzzzZ wrote: post #79
redisman wrote: post #37

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Sometimes you just gotta wonder about some people. The most pro status-quo candidate in a generation is planning to take us to the dark ages?

If you believe the status-quo is taking you to the dark ages then it's not very crazy. And for the more rural portion of America that seems to be the case.

Fair but they don’t seem to actually want pragmatic/realpolitik solutions. Did Trump deliver something that revitalized these communities? Anything? Was he promising anything for 2020? Seems like he just made them feel “represented” in a completely shallow and meaningless way. Meanwhile in your random town in WV things keep sliding towards extinction

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Post by redisman »

coldtea wrote: post #192
madamelic wrote: post #123

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None of this is Democrats or liberal's fault. Their party has been yelling about getting off fossil fuels for the last 20 years. Obama encouraged organizations that were re-training coal miners and others in dead industries to join the digital workforce. It's the alt-right who have been promising to go back to 'normal' and that coal is the future. The economics aren't there, fossil fuels is a dying industry. Even if…

> None of this is Democrats or liberal's fault. Their party has been yelling about getting off fossil fuels for the last 20 years. What a wrote wasn't just about coal. Heck, I didn't ever had coal in mind when I wrote it. It's a general situation with working class jobs and middle class prospects, that's way beyond coal shutting down. And the "encouraged organizations that were re-training coal miners and others in d…

Biden’s plan is better than that - kickstart the green energy industry with plenty of blue collar jobs. What’s the alternative for these people? Keep racking “wins” in the culture war while their communities self destruct? Or vote for a socialist that will hand them money, but that seems very unpopular too.

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Post by redisman »

coldtea wrote: post #199
ordinaryradical wrote: post #120

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Kind of a good take, but these points actually makes their attitude even stranger: they are not afraid of neoliberalism, which is the defacto economic position of both the left and the right, but of "communism." Biden is a "communist," or "godless," or "anti-American." What do these statements actually mean? You can argue that their feelings of economic greivance make sense--but their voting habits are a rejection of…

> Kind of a good take, but these points actually makes their attitude even stranger: they are not afraid of neoliberalism, which is the defacto economic position of both the left and the right, but of "communism." Biden is a "communist," or "godless," or "anti-American." What do these statements actually mean? Since the elites that push them over and throw them to the dustbins of history as deplorables are mostly Dem…

> (rural growth, working/middle class jobs, wage stagnation, skyrocketing college, health costs, etc)

This sounds like a Biden campaign ad. I don’t find takes where the Professional Twitter Opinion LoudPeople are “the left” and “the right” are very interesting. Picking an extreme/outlier take and saying “look what the left/right thinks! aren’t they crazy!!” is exactly why the political discourse is so dumb. What are we supposed to do about it? I think Twitter is dumb

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Post by njanirudh »

xg15 wrote: post #208
odessacubbage wrote: post #149

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also popular with edgy twitterposters and anons, and a large swath of online news-aware people under 40. there are plenty of sunday morning accelerationists for whom all these sentiments could more accurately reflect malaise and disenfranchisement from party politics that increasingly represent no one. personally i wouldn't grant many of these statements much more weight than 'subscribe to pewdiepie' however as insti…

Are you saying antiracism is a bad thing?

Superficial*

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Post by jbboehr »

chillacy wrote: post #168
api wrote: post #128

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I recall thinking of the Unabomber manifesto when I first started seeing the alt-right emerge in a big way in the early 20-teens. The alt-right and adjacent movements sort of do belong under the umbrella of neo-primitivism. There are a lot of ideological parallels and deep similarities in the emotional appeals. It takes me back to when I read the Unabomber manifesto online as a teenager when it was first printed. I l…

I read it too after reading Kevin Kelly's analysis in What Technology Wants. I recall it was very meandering, not particularly well supported, and from what I understand, not very novel either. In retrospect, if Ted Kaczynski thought that he could start a movement with that much wandering text, there wasn't much hope for anything super cogent.

> not very novel either

David Skirbina addresses this is his forward to Technological Slavery[0]. Ted isn't a PhD student doing research; the lack of originality to his arguments is a feature, not a bug.

[0]: https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/45035203-technologica...

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