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U.S. insurrectionists received $500k in bitcoins from French donor

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post #92

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Well, "business as usual" has led working class (and middle class) america to wage stagnation, increasingly worse jobs, de-industrialization, decline of small towns, meth/heroin rise, and such, plus wars mainly using poor rural people as fodder, and other such niceties. Plus coastal elites (including non-elites who still identify as hollier-than the plebs in the fly-over country) sneering at them. The glorious march…

Kind of a good take, but these points actually makes their attitude even stranger: they are not afraid of neoliberalism, which is the defacto economic position of both the left and the right, but of "communism." Biden is a "communist," or "godless," or "anti-American." What do these statements actually mean? You can argue that their feelings of economic greivance make sense--but their voting habits are a rejection of…

> Biden is a "communist," or "godless," or "anti-American." What do these statements actually mean?

They didn't attack Biden as being those things. They attacked Biden for being old, not entirely there, and weak barrier against the radical elements of the Democratic Party. For example Karen Bass, who was on Biden's VP shortlist, had a bunch of communist ties: https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/karen-bass-vice-presiden...

> First reported were her ill-chosen words upon the death of Fidel Castro in 2016, she opined, that “the passing of the Comandante en Jefe is a great loss to the people of Cuba.” Ouch! But politically survivable.

> Far more damaging was news that that Bass first visited the island while, in college, at age 19, in 1973 with the Venceremos Brigade, a group popular with leftwing student radicals and social progressives that organized and ferried Americans to Cuba to cut sugar cane and build homes—in defiance of the U.S. Embargo and policy. She would take eight trips with the Brigade during the 1970s alone

As to "anti-American" many on the left embraced taking the name of founding fathers off of school buildings. My magnet high school in Virginia is named after Thomas Jefferson and there has been an effort to rename it. Even Abraham Lincoln has been indicted (if not yet convicted): https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/12/20/fac....

Taking Thomas Jefferson's name off a school building is a declaration of war to conservatives. They believe that civilization is a product of history and tradition and practice, not abstract principles. The idea you can "keep the good things Jefferson believed" while ditching the historical figure himself is something that makes no sense to them. It'd be like taking Jesus out of the Bible.

> You can argue that their feelings of economic greivance make sense--but their voting habits are a rejection of policies like universal healthcare (which would benefit the vast majority of them) because "socialism."

Trump voters already have healthcare. They're disproportionately likely to be folks who bear greater burdens under the ACA--like small business owners. Or the majority of people who are happy with their private health insurance.

More generally, the Republican Party is a coalition of social conservatives (some of whom are quite economically liberal) and economic conservatives. Voting Democrat wouldn't make any sense for them, especially because, as you observe, the Democratic Party is staunchly neo-liberal as well. I recall listening to interviews with Trump voters around Scranton (where Joe Biden was born). Folks were talking about how they were multi-generational Democratic voters, but were disillusioned by Democrats' support for NAFTA, etc. If Democrats chose to prioritize social liberalism and economic neo-liberalism it makes totally sense for those folks to vote Republican.

Re: U.S. insurrectionists received $500k in bitcoins from French donor

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post #154

I hope this will get attention. Just so more people will realise that bitcoin is dangerous to use and accept because it is not private. Even if youre doing nothing wrong, would you want to unintentionally receive funds linked to this?

The Lightning network in conjunction with Tor will make tracing of transactions nearly impossible in the future. However right now the technology to properly anonymize bitcoin already exists via coinjoin wallets. The most mature implementation so far is the Samourai Wallet using Whirlpool. If you are doing it right there is no danger using Bitcoin at all. In fact it might even less dangerous than any other method of…

All BTC privacy technologies will be opt-in, and all empirical evidence shows this doesnt work - both from a technical and sociological perspective. On the technical side, analysis is always much more difficult to stop than people think. In terms of people's behaviour, adoption is nearly impossible and services will ban or flag such transactions, if mining pools even mine the transaction.

Sure grandma can just practice output control (that I still struggle with after using BTC for 8+ years) and pay hundreds in fees for coinjoins with every transaction, problem solved /s

> The Lightning network in conjunction with Tor will make tracing of transactions nearly impossible in the future.

I only see papers finding flaws that prevent it from being private, and that people are struggling to get it to work even without thinking about privacy. Scaling is still a difficult and unsolved problem for now, lets not make absurd privacy claims alongside it. Relying on Tor is an issue in itself.

Re: U.S. insurrectionists received $500k in bitcoins from French donor

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Tbf I think there was also a lot of people who genuinely and truly believed that Obama, as in - a black president - would be literally the end of America. I have no idea what those people think now, but I'm also not terribly keen to find out.

I haven't seen enough direct evidence to attribute that. It's very plausible but I don't want to lump independent groups together. In the same way that many leftist groups really don't like each other and it's probably wrong to lump them together.

But attribute what? I'm just saying that plenty of people believe this. No attribution whatsoever.

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post #125

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Doesn't the IRS sort of dislike when you don't declare that as income?

[dropped; incorrect assertion]

As others have pointed out, this assertion is the exact opposite of reality.

Re: U.S. insurrectionists received $500k in bitcoins from French donor

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I hope this will get attention. Just so more people will realise that bitcoin is dangerous to use and accept because it is not private. Even if youre doing nothing wrong, would you want to unintentionally receive funds linked to this?

People use cash all the time to fund terrorism. There is no difference. What about the US government using cash to fund future enemies of the USA?

Re: U.S. insurrectionists received $500k in bitcoins from French donor

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post #36

One thing wasn't highlighted in the alleged suicide note was the line 'we must secure the existence of our people and a future for our children'. That language should be a pretty clear indicator of where this person's politics lie, even without the 'fall of western civilization' rhetoric earlier. They always seem to use the same exact verbiage.

This is a well know white supremacist's phrase and originates from an organization that was known as The Order. It is called 14 words, if I where on the receiving end of a donation with that phrase I would be quick to distance myself from it and donate the proceeds to a worthwhile charity.

While I know it is routine to paint the right and specifically the alt-right as all being racist white supremacist's the reality is they are a small minority that has banded onto the right given their conservative views on certain items. The right needs to do a better job of making it known that they are not welcome but things like this really don't help them in doing just that. I know the guy with the buffalo headdress has a Valknut tattoo prominently tattooed on his chest so I think it's pretty safe to assume he is a white supremacist's. So to me it looks like a small band of white supremacist's organized to incite the mob into action. People should really be aware of who they are throwing their lot in with.

Re: U.S. insurrectionists received $500k in bitcoins from French donor

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post #128

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Also, the bit about 'the industrial revolution and its consequences that have been a disaster for the human race' slightly paraphrases the opening of Ted Kaczynski's manifesto Industrial Society and its Future , which is quite popular with accelerationists and eco-fascists due to his relative success as the 'Unabomber'.

I recall thinking of the Unabomber manifesto when I first started seeing the alt-right emerge in a big way in the early 20-teens. The alt-right and adjacent movements sort of do belong under the umbrella of neo-primitivism. There are a lot of ideological parallels and deep similarities in the emotional appeals. It takes me back to when I read the Unabomber manifesto online as a teenager when it was first printed. I l…

I read it too after reading Kevin Kelly's analysis in What Technology Wants. I recall it was very meandering, not particularly well supported, and from what I understand, not very novel either. In retrospect, if Ted Kaczynski thought that he could start a movement with that much wandering text, there wasn't much hope for anything super cogent.

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post #107

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>Do you avoid using cash too because criminals use it? I probably would if cash were only used by criminals and speculators.

Many legitimate uses of BTC have been accounted for. Are torrents also bad because pirates often use it?

Apart from speculation? Like what? It's only really useful for forex if you're avoiding currency controls, for instance.

Torrents are routinely used for distributing Linux isos.

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It's disgusting how such primitive people can still exist in our modern world. Yes, we have many people doing horrible things all over the world, but people being vile because their ancestors had less sun than others is a special kind of pointless stupidity.

I present to you the words of Kristen Clarke, Biden’s future head of the DoJ’s Civil Rights division: “Melanin endows blacks with greater mental, physical, and spiritual abilities — something which cannot be measured by Eurocentric standards.” This is just one quote from her letter, which goes on at length about black superiority. I think the problem we have right now is we have two sets of standards. People that hav…

I think that you are being disingenuous in not pointing out the context as a rhetorical device to point out hypocrisy and absurdity of racist views, but I don't think you should be downmodded for bringing this to light given the comment chain above you.
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