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Post by WClayFerguson »

nathias wrote: post #293
WClayFerguson wrote: post #168

I've been telling developers for years if you build your infrastructure on top of tons of 3rd party services like Google Cloud or AWS then you basically don't own it, and can be shut down any day, against your will. Web companies should build on "Linux" only, as their base platform, so they own everything above that. I was a fan of Parler but building on AWS was a huge mistake, and they should have realized they were…

Linux doesn't help here. You can have your own servers, but then ISP can shut you down and Mastercard and Visa will ban you from the online economy at will ...

Linux is much better than relying on proprietary services. Nobody said Linux solves all the other problems in the world. lol.

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Post by kennywinker »

PeterStuer wrote: post #440
kennywinker wrote: post #338

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You can express opinions all you want, but you’re going to have to do a lot of work in order to justify compelling someone to do business with you after you say something they don’t like. Like, amazon isn’t actually the basic infrastructure of the internet. You can build web sites and apps without involving them. So why would a law force them to do business with you?

How long ago was it that the 'cloud' vendors proclaimed/advertised that 'In the old days everyone had their own generator, their own well. Now just like electricity or water, you have computing on tap'. Sounds pretty much like a public utility to me and thus should be regulated as one.

Just because I describe something as essential when trying to sell it to you, doesn’t make it actually essential.

I do believe some level of internet serving access is a public utility. But i doubt that level is cloud hosting.

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Post by ardy42 »

raxxorrax wrote: post #459
LarvaFX wrote: post #454

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A vegan parler calling for the execution of meat eaters would be banned just as well, don't you think?

I have seen countless comments from vegans that said meat eaters should be butchered instead of animals. The comments didn't get deleted. An no, I did't want to complain about them, venting is healthy and without victims on the internet.

> I have seen countless comments from vegans that said meat eaters should be butchered instead of animals. The comments didn't get deleted. An no, I did't want to complain about them, venting is healthy and without victims on the internet.

That's the difference between merely saying something, and saying something with the likelihood of actually carrying it out.

Parler would still be around if there not been an mob attack on the capitol connected to it (and no legitimate fears of further mob attacks on inauguration day, etc.) If vegans actually started and organized butchering of meat eaters, I'm pretty sure the forums where they planned such things would get shut down quickly.

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Post by jmcqk6 »

watwut wrote: post #555
blacklight wrote: post #512

I personally don't find their ability to remain online that surprising. The Pirate Bay and other torrent networks were built by people with a passion for building, maintaining and hacking things. People who, even without a solid CS background, would spend hours a day learning new things, developing distributed protocols, evading DNS blocks and hosting their content wherever they could to make it accessible - included…

> Those who believe in conspiracy content are people characterized by a psychological tendency to take shortcuts whenever they can in order to minimize their efforts in learning and understanding new things I dont think it is that simple. I remember reading finding that smart highly intelligent people are more attracted to conspiracy theories. The complexity of those theories and details those rely on attract them. A…

There is definitely a correlation between lazy thinking and believing in conspiracy theories. Mainly because conspiracy theories do not lend themselves to rigorous inquiry, almost by definition.

This is different than "intelligence." It's more about effort and rigor in thinking. It's the quality of the thought, and the willingness to question your own assumptions. And a willingness to recognize the limits of your own knowledge and understanding.

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Post by ardy42 »

rendall wrote: post #343
kennywinker wrote: post #338

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You can express opinions all you want, but you’re going to have to do a lot of work in order to justify compelling someone to do business with you after you say something they don’t like. Like, amazon isn’t actually the basic infrastructure of the internet. You can build web sites and apps without involving them. So why would a law force them to do business with you?

I didn't say anything about "forcing Amazon to do business" with me. If that's your solution, it's a non-starter. I don't have a solution, but Amazon + Apple + Google coordinating to shut down a platform for communication - even a platform that contains expression that I strongly disagree with, I might add - is a problem that requires a solution This is what I wish more people understood now rather than later, but at…

> I don't have a solution, but Amazon + Apple + Google coordinating to shut down a platform for communication - even a platform that contains expression that I strongly disagree with, I might add - is a problem that requires a solution

Did they actually coordinate [1] or just come to similar conclusions based on similar facts, in the context of the same cultural zeitgeist?

[1] e.g. Bezos, Cook, and Pichai (or subordinates) on a conference call, deciding what to do

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Post by rsync »

ghaff wrote: post #553
meibo wrote: post #548

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A googler recently commented here that, in order to forgive "bigger" bills, you really need to know someone to pull some heavy strings for you - and that it doesn't happen in many cases. This taught me to be very very careful with this stuff, and to not bet on Google or Amazon being nice to me when I am bound to mess something up at some point - because with the complexity these services carry, it's no wonder people…

I do use AWS S3 for storage and it's very cheap for my needs. But I do periodically think about switching to a VPS (or to Backblaze which does let you set a hard cap). I also help out a small non-profit newspaper mostly operated by students. We're going to need some storage for an archiving project and there's no way in hell I'm going to use AWS for that.

There are also cloud storage providers that do not charge for transfer or egress, etc.

There’s one in particular I’m thinking of…

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Post by jliptzin »

LadyCailin wrote: post #564
citizenpaul wrote: post #552

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disconnected interpretation of "free speech" Oh yeah whats that comrad?

That saying “hey, let’s violently overthrow the government” isn’t a class of protected speech.

And also, they are being thrown off the platforms of private companies, not being censored by the government, so it's actually not a free speech issue at all.

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Post by enriquto »

Ntrails wrote: post #469
enriquto wrote: post #451

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Sure, I was thinking about a photo of human subjects in the foreground, with some distant buildings in the background. But if you photograph the shadow of the Eiffel tower on a clear sunny day you may be down to the precision of a couple of minutes.

But that's only if you can resolve the "which day" issue?

Oh, yes, that seems a hard problem. But with sufficient effort (cloud patterns, parked cars, other people in the image) there is still a lot of information to extract. Especially if other people were taking exim-tagged photos in the same time and place and putting them on instagram.

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Post by scaryclam »

nindalf wrote: post #366
joshxyz wrote: post #291

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Jesus fucking christ i thought it's just some users table but 56.7 terabytes you mofos that's some s3 egress bill!

I think they’ll avoid paying whatever Amazon charges. And I don’t think Amazon will pursue it either. “How about you just let this lawsuit go and we’ll forget about that massive bill you have to pay?”

Considering Amazon built a replacement for mongodb to essentially give them the finger, I'd say it could go either way. If AWS feels like it's worth setting a precident, they may well fight tooth and nail to make them payup.

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Post by Codazoa »

voidmain0001 wrote: post #517
Codazoa wrote: post #358

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So does that mean if I am hosting a dinner at my home on my own private property and someone starts spewing hate at people I have to let him because it's his free speech? No, I'm kicking that asshole off my property and banning him from returning. It's the same for these tech companies. They are private companies and if you break their ToS for inciting violence or posting illegal shit then they have the right to ban…

This is a very thorny issue and my own personal views don't matter, but the views of others are indeed interesting. I was listening to an episode of The Taylor Report[0] and he was saying that no corporate platform should block speech based on its moral compass. He noted that while Twitter flagged Trump's tweets regarding the Capitol Hill protest as inciting violence, Twitter didn't flag Trump's tweets threatening nu…

Oh I agree that corporations shouldn't be able to block speech but right now constitutionally they can so what we really need is a change to the constitution. Those laws were written hundreds of years and meant to change with the times.
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