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Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by arp242 »

IncRnd wrote: post #203
kingaillas wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>There was not a peep about their content until from their reps until 1/6 According to Amazon's response to Parler's lawsuit, they were warned for months about their content. https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wawd.294664... There is a handy summary of this on Ars Technica as well. That article also says Parler was relying on volunteer moderation to clear their backlog of over 26000 posts.

The link you posted to courtlistener.com shows that Parler responded within two days to Amazon's request and apologized it took them a long time. You wrote that Amazon warned Parler about their content, but that's not what your link shows. It shows that Amazon asked a question about policies regarding specific posts, and Parler answered with their policies.

Full story: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/01/filing-amazon-wa...

Also note that it wasn't removed. I'm not even going to repeat that post here, but absolutely no platform would keep this online if reported, so "very similar terms of service to other content companies" as someone up this thread claimed isn't exactly true.

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Post by [deleted] »

acover wrote: post #242
mgbmtl wrote: post #192

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Isn't the Real Name policy a bit of a joke? I have a few test/fake/dev accounts, never had any issues (but for new accounts, need to associate them with a mobile number, but only for the initial signup). That said, I think the structure of Facebook intentionally makes it difficult to moderate. Reddit, for example, has public groups, group mods, etc. Far from perfect, but Facebook could definitely do more validation b…

I have been permanently banned from Facebook for using an incorrect birthday :/ Uploaded government id, correct information, phone number but I'm no longer allowed to create an account.

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Post by zpeti »

LatteLazy wrote: post #258
mrweasel wrote: post #14

So is Google going to throw them out of the Play store? What's the argument for banning one social media and not another. Where do you draw the line that manages to keep Facebooks app available, while still being able to defend the removal of Parler. I know many will think I'm defending Parler, I'm not. I just don't see why Facebook is continuously given a free pass for all the horrible stuff on their platform. Is it…

Here are a couple: Facebook could have 100 times more violent content than parler, but it would be a much smaller percentage of content because Facebook is 1000000 times bigger. It's that simple really. Banning Parler is more efficient. Also, Parler went out and sold itself as somewhere this was allowed, protected and encouraged. Facebook didn't, quite the opposite in fact.

Going down this path, consider that Facebook caused genocide, the active killing of a population.

Parler caused 1 night of rioting.

How is that for percentages of content being objectionable?

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Post by Hitton »

AlexandrB wrote: post #267
babygoat wrote: post #188

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Are you being facetious, or are you really saying the definition of a riot or insurrection change according to your preferences?

I think they are comparing Jan 6 with the summer's BLM protests. I don't have a fully coherent argument why the two are different, but intuitively I think they are very different. For example, one was a response to unchecked executive power (killings by police), while the other was incited by unchecked executive power (the president).

From my European point of view. One was response to conspiracy theory that cops are assholes biased black people (much more likely that cops are assholes in general), second was response to conspiracy theory that democrats stole the election (much more likely republicans just didn't vote by mail). That said, attacking government building during recent riots makes much more sense then previous BLMers looting and setting on fire random supermarkets/buildings which were not related to cops or government in general.

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Post by pjkundert »

fsociety wrote: post #264
pjkundert wrote: post #155

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Of course they are. They are easy to find for every platform.

It’s doublespeak to say “I saw no calls for violence when I was on platform” and then to say “of course there was calls for violence on the platform, they are on every platform”. Which is it? Facebook optimizes for engagement.. Parler optimizes for free speech. Why did Parler optimize for free speech? Is it because some of the members were being banned from the other platforms for extremism? Did Parler gain network e…

I’m certain they existed; I just didn’t see any, in a month or so of very active trawling of Parler.

So, in my experience, Parler’s primary purpose was unlikely the planning of evil.

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Post by sandworm101 »

rangoon626 wrote: post #101
sandworm101 wrote: post #59

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If you build your own thing then it will be subject to the moderation of whatever service you build it upon. In this case, hosting services and app stores. If you don't like their moderation either, you are free to setup your own bare metal servers, even your own app store. And then there is Tor. If you really want to live outside of any moderation, outside of even basic laws, then setup a Tor hidden service. If you…

Must have missed the part where Apple allows developers to set up their own app stores.

Apple doesn't block websites. If they cared to keep Apple users from being blocked they could have implemented a purely web-based option for accessing the service.

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Post by mainstreem »

mumblemumble wrote: post #235
dcolkitt wrote: post #86

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There's a lot of rationales you can give, but the real answer is that banning Facebook would cause Google to miss their quarterly earnings. Many people are willing to take a stand for their beliefs, many fewer are willing to nuke their RSUs.

I suspect the real real answer is that Google would summon an enormous shitstorm of antitrust action down on their heads if they even thought about kicking their biggest domestic competitor in the ad space out of the app store.

How is it that this is the case but Amazon and Twitter aren't facing antitrust action for teaming up against Parler? Amazon protects a huge account and the huge account takes down a competitor.

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Post by zpeti »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #263
throwawayosiu1 wrote: post #36

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Didn't they freeze Trump only after the entire backlash? and last I checked, Trump was not on Parler was he? Infact, that was the big issue - Trump not moving to Parler or Gab while calling out Twitter. It's funny because if he did do the move earlier, he'd have hurt twitter where it counts - their stock price. But I guess the attention on Twitter was just too much to ignore.

> and last I checked, Trump was not on Parler was he? Infact, that was the big issue - Trump not moving to Parler or Gab while calling out Twitter. This is a legitimate criticism even for people on the right about Trump. He knew these Tech Giants were questionable about uneven censorship, he’s been complaining about it for years. So why in the hell wasn’t he posting to gab, parlor, bitchute, streamable, all the “alte…

I'm surprised how no-one ever brings up this point. I've thought about it many times too.

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Post by [deleted] »

NickGott wrote: post #225
motohagiography wrote: post #41

Social media like Facebook/Twitter is basically a vibrator for narcissistic supply. We should all just step back, put these toys down, recognize it's a vice, and that there is a real world out there to be lived in.

100% agree. Social Media should be treated like anything else in life that is addictive and potentially self-destructive: alcohol, drugs, junk food, video games, porn, gambling, online shopping, whatever. Actively moderate and track your usage, and if you ever feel like it's negatively impacting your life, take a step back and think carefully about if you're really still in control.

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Post by marcusverus »

dragonwriter wrote: post #299
mrweasel wrote: post #14

So is Google going to throw them out of the Play store? What's the argument for banning one social media and not another. Where do you draw the line that manages to keep Facebooks app available, while still being able to defend the removal of Parler. I know many will think I'm defending Parler, I'm not. I just don't see why Facebook is continuously given a free pass for all the horrible stuff on their platform. Is it…

> What’s the argument for banning one social media and not another. The argument for Parler from at least some platforms seems to have been that they were unable or unwilling to police content after they had actual notice. Whether it is as sufficient or not may be debatable, but Facebook has at least visibly made steps to address the problem as attention has been focussed on it.

By "actual notice", I assume you're referring to the paltry 24 hours notice provided by Apple. To my knowledge, Google did not provide notice.
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