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Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Yes, social media and maybe even the internet as a whole will radicalize its users. Facebook is a groupthink incubator. So is hacker news. I've witnessed many people change their political beliefs to match whichever group they belong to.

In what direction does HN radicalize us?

I think it makes everyone feel like they're not earning enough money.

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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> Facebooks willingness to moderate their content Facebook moderates content only when it draws too much attention, but either way Facebook profits off said content as their algorithms promote it (because said content generates "engagement").

Not necessarily. I only have a few friends, and a few months ago before the election, I made a post recommending they stock up on food, water, and emergency medications just in case. I don't have many friends and it was probably only seen by a handful of people, yet the post was removed. It's hard to say exactly what they moderate or how.

They moderate things that risk bringing bad PR, including in some cases putting overzealous rules that would cause false positives like you described.

However, it's clear they aren't acting in good faith and aren't actually interested in moderating bad content. Cybercrime-related Facebook groups which don't even attempt to conceal themselves are commonplace on Facebook: https://krebsonsecurity.com/2019/04/a-year-later-cybercrime-... despite detecting them being trivial based on a simple keyword match.

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> And AFAIK inciting violence is illegal. Sure, but in the USA it's actually really hard to incite violence in the eyes of the law. For example, when it comes to USA laws, Trump almost definitely did not incite violence. But lots of people would disagree with the statement that he didn't incite violence.

Sure, it's up to interpretation, but I think we're fooling ourselves a bit to say he didn't incite violence. People raided the capitol on his behalf. His rhetoric must have had something to do with that.

Parent is actually right, it is unlikely that Trump's speech met the legal standard for inciting violence. However most legal scholars agree that impeachment does not depend on having been convicted of a crime.

Here's a lawyer's video on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwqAInN9HWI

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I think most people don’t understand that the regime will define and redefine what hate speech is, over time. It’s those icky conservatives now, but the same mechanism will be used against more people tomorrow, as needed.

Well, Merriam-Webster dictionary changed the definition of "sexual preference" to justify the outrage against Amy Coney Barrett after the fact. You probably can't get any more Orwellian than this. I guess something about free markets and private companies though.

Do you have a link to a diff?

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Social media like Facebook/Twitter is basically a vibrator for narcissistic supply. We should all just step back, put these toys down, recognize it's a vice, and that there is a real world out there to be lived in.

100% agree.

Social Media should be treated like anything else in life that is addictive and potentially self-destructive: alcohol, drugs, junk food, video games, porn, gambling, online shopping, whatever. Actively moderate and track your usage, and if you ever feel like it's negatively impacting your life, take a step back and think carefully about if you're really still in control.

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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Facebook, allegedly, has an "army" of moderators. Parler, on the other hand, relied on voluntary "flagging", and they admitted (quoted in some other article from today), that they had a backlog of some 26,000 posts to review. So, while this stuff looks arbitrary on the surface, I guess we will just have to see what comes out in discovery in these lawsuits and what happens with judge and jury.

Parler has allegedly had hundreds of paid moderators for months. They also allegedly cleared their backlog over the weekend in a foolish belief they could be on the right side of AWS politics.

If Parler was so intent on staying on the right side of the law, maybe they should have cleared that backlog well before Jan 6th.

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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This is a horrible argument. Not only is is factually untrue on nearly every count, it's not even an accurate analogy, even if it were true. You can't buy guns on Amazon for the same reason you can't buy tobacco, liquor, lottery tickets, or cars on Amazon. Because these are all things which are regulated by the government in such a way as to be incompatible with Amazon's logistics and purchasing setup and customer ex…

You were so close...Try thinking about why guns, tobacco, liquor, etc. are regulated by the government while kitchen knives aren't. You'll get there.

It essentially doesn't matter /why/ guns, tobacco, liquor, etc. are regulated by the government. That reasoning has no bearing on why Amazon doesn't sell them. Amazon is not a moral agent, it's one of the largest corporations in the world with a profit imperative to expand into as many product categories as possible in its goal to dominate e-commerce. Those government regulations make those product types conflict with Amazon's way of doing business and complying with those regulations reduces profit margins to a level where these products are unattractive to offer.

There's a moral-political argument which can be made, sure, but that argument isn't the basis for why Amazon doesn't offer these products, and /that/ was the assertion underlying the grandparent's analogy. It's simply false.

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Instead of relying on first hand experience, have you considered googling for screen shots of Parler posts advocating for the violent overthrow of government and white supremacy? They exist and are easy to find.

There also exist plenty of screenshots of Twitter and Facebook posts advocating violence and racial supremacy.

Of course. I was just pointing out that it's easy to expand your knowledge beyond first hand experience.

Re: Facebook Incubated the Insurrection

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So is Google going to throw them out of the Play store? What's the argument for banning one social media and not another. Where do you draw the line that manages to keep Facebooks app available, while still being able to defend the removal of Parler. I know many will think I'm defending Parler, I'm not. I just don't see why Facebook is continuously given a free pass for all the horrible stuff on their platform. Is it…

Parler doesn't moderate their content. Facebook has the worlds most advanced content moderation systems and team. I mean you can dislike Facebook, but they clearly try to moderate their platform.

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Nuking your RSUs will also make an enemy of every other person in your company with RSUs. You might not be fired, but you’ll likely lose most of your social capital at the company.

Just in case anyone is left wondering, RSU stands for restricted stock unit.

aka how well paid engineers get paid.
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