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Re: Pirate Bay founder thinks Parler’s inability to stay online is 'embarrassing'

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Post by azeirah »

MivLives wrote: post #217
jrochkind1 wrote: post #92

Also embarrassing: https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7vqew/the-hacker-who-archiv... > donk_enby had originally intended to grab data only from the day of the Capitol takeover, but found that the poor construction and security of Parler allowed her to capture, essentially, the entire website. That ended up being 56.7 terabytes of data, which included every public post on Parler, 412 million files in all—including 150 m…

I'm curious where someone just gets 56.7 tb of storage that quickly.

Modern hdd's store up to 18tb.

I saw 6tb hdd's for €114 on my local site, 16tb hdd's for €370.

It's not exactly cheap, but if you're doing it for a serious project like archiving an entire politically relevant social media website, I'm sure you'll have 1-2 thousand eur lying around for a couple of hard disks

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Post by gerikson »

gerikson wrote: post #327
Groxx wrote: post #296

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ISO 8601 is pretty absurd when you actually read it. `2021-W02` and `--01-14` are valid, as is `--1013` (quick! guess what that means! and beware that `-1013` is valid too!) Please, everyone, use a single format at all times in your systems. I don't really care what it is, though I'm fond of `2021-01-14T06:28:08Z` because it's unambiguous. But don't just say "use ISO 8601", it's far too vague and you'll inevitably ha…

Without having read the spec... * `2021-W02` means the second (ISO) week of 2021. Perfectly valid and used in a lot of planning. * `--01-14` - I'm assuming this is a recurring date: every 14 Jan for every year * `--1013` - at 1PM every 10th of the month? Guessing here I believe ISO 8601 is a ISO codification of a DIN standard, and based on other standards processes I'm guessing some German manufacturing companies wer…

Edit `--1013` is 13 Oct in any year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601#Truncated_representat...

(`--01-14` is Jan 14 in any year, the last dash is "optional").

The "duration" (`P`) and "repetition" (`R`) syntax is also pretty wild.

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Post by PeterStuer »

kennywinker wrote: post #353
rendall wrote: post #343

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I didn't say anything about "forcing Amazon to do business" with me. If that's your solution, it's a non-starter. I don't have a solution, but Amazon + Apple + Google coordinating to shut down a platform for communication - even a platform that contains expression that I strongly disagree with, I might add - is a problem that requires a solution This is what I wish more people understood now rather than later, but at…

If you come up with a good solution, let us know. Until then, I’m happy to support antitrust action against apple/google/amazon/facebook - but for more pressing reasons than the deplatforming of fascists attempting to overthrow a fair and free election.

Essential Utilities are governed in many places by Universal Service Directives ensuring private companies can not willy nilly choose to deny them as they see fit for commercial or other reasons.

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Post by Jochim »

mschuster91 wrote: post #427
Jochim wrote: post #393

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> But if you wrote that on a site hosted on AWS, there is nothing in principle from Amazon taking the platform down. Politician Y calls his buddy Jeff Bezos, and fwoomp! Gone. This should be concerning. Why should it be concerning at all? There are a few thousand other hosting providers they can go to. The slightly stronger argument seems to be that the people making these death threats on Parler should not have been…

> The slightly stronger argument seems to be that the people making these death threats on Parler should not have been banned from Twitter/FB in the first place. That's not a strong argument at all. Spouting death threats gets you arrested if you do it in public (and someone records it or calls the cops), so it should also lead to a time-limited or permanent ban from social networks. Social networks are not a free-fo…

> That's not a strong argument at all.

I don't think it's a strong argument either, I just think it's slightly stronger than the one people are trying to use for why AWS should be forced to host Parler.

> Spouting death threats gets you arrested if you do it in public (and someone records it or calls the cops), so it should also lead to a time-limited or permanent ban from social networks.

The argument from people coming out against the moderation of these threats seems to be that FB/Twitter etc. should only remove this content after receiving some sort of court order/government mandate to do so, that they shouldn't "play cop" as it were. Personally this seems like a pretty stupid take.

> Social networks are not a free-for-all zone.

Some people are arguing that the should be, that they should be treated as the equivalent of a modern town square. I don't necessarily agree with this take, but I can see why people might think that way.

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Post by johnchristopher »

Nextgrid wrote: post #430
secondcoming wrote: post #426

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She is probably liable for that data egress bill. Also, how does some randomer have ten of terabytes of disk lying around?

Maybe the data compresses well and/or a lot of it is redundant (so instead of storing it raw you store it in a database and use relationships to link related pieces of data)?

That's not how you usually measure a database size.

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Post by PeterStuer »

mschuster91 wrote: post #332
rendall wrote: post #316

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> "I'm fine with all this stuff getting taken down" I understand this on a visceral level, but I wish more people would look beyond that to the implications for communication on the web. This action by Amazon happens to correspond with what I think is right and just on first iteration, but what principle prevents Amazon from arsing some other group that we agree with?

> but what principle prevents Amazon from arsing some other group that we agree with? Parler had people discussing murdering Congresspeople and didn't do anything about it. No matter which faction of "what level of free speech is acceptable" one subscribes, this is never acceptable and it is no wonder that Parler got booted off.

"Parler had people discussing murdering Congresspeople "

By that criterion we should immediately close down Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, ...

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Post by roywashere »

secondcoming wrote: post #438
asiando wrote: post #432

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Given the speed I’m guessing it was towards S3 so there’s plenty of terabytes.

Yes probably. Wherever it is, that provider is in an interesting legal position by holding this data. Also, I assume there is content from EU citizens in there, and so GDPR violations galore.

So people post it on Parlor themselves, it is publicly available, but it would be illegal to download for me? That does not make much sense.

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Post by raxxorrax »

minot wrote: post #429
aljarry wrote: post #364

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90$ per TB

Is there still no easy straightforward way in $current_year to put an absolute spend cap of say USD 0, USD 5, or USD 10 per month on Amazon.com web services or Google Cloud Platform? I’d think I’d like to prepay a fixed dollar amount like USD 200 IF I anticipate some major event but really this is problematic for students. I just want to use the free tier. Why is this so hard?

I don't think so. It would be great though to encourage dabbling.

I am glad that my customers and company pays the bills because they can fluctuate very noticeably.

For private use I still host my own server just because the costs are fixed an I know what I am getting.

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Post by Red_Leaves_Flyy »

minot wrote: post #429
aljarry wrote: post #364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

90$ per TB

Is there still no easy straightforward way in $current_year to put an absolute spend cap of say USD 0, USD 5, or USD 10 per month on Amazon.com web services or Google Cloud Platform? I’d think I’d like to prepay a fixed dollar amount like USD 200 IF I anticipate some major event but really this is problematic for students. I just want to use the free tier. Why is this so hard?

You're not a customer they want.

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Post by secondcoming »

roywashere wrote: post #447
secondcoming wrote: post #438

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes probably. Wherever it is, that provider is in an interesting legal position by holding this data. Also, I assume there is content from EU citizens in there, and so GDPR violations galore.

So people post it on Parlor themselves, it is publicly available, but it would be illegal to download for me? That does not make much sense.

My understanding is that not all of it was public posts.

As an EU citizen, I can request that a company deletes my data. Unless this data dump is being treated as a crime scene or something, then the holders of this data will need some way to comply with these requests.

Also, now AWS (or whatever cloud provider it is) is holding content that contains racist and/or illegal content. Are they not effectively now just another Parler?

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