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Re: Show HN: Vantage – An alternative AWS console focused on developer experience

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Post by teemops »

foreigner wrote: post #28

I've always wondered why AWS doesn't just open source their console. it's such a usability disaster and there's so many developers that would love to contribute improvements to it. Wouldn't that make financial sense to Amazon?

I'm trying to build https://teemops.com/ Also see app working at https://app.teemops.com and is open source on github https://github.com/teemops/teemops-ui... The goal of the project is to simplify AWS completely at the UI, but also API for multiple account, region and deployment scenarios... The problem with the AWS console itself is that I imagine it would also be tied so heavily into their control plane and several of their services that have different UIS (Take Cognito, Workdocs for example) that it would be a mission to maintain...

Re: Show HN: Vantage – An alternative AWS console focused on developer experience

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Post by teemops »

ranman wrote: post #55
foreigner wrote: post #28

I've always wondered why AWS doesn't just open source their console. it's such a usability disaster and there's so many developers that would love to contribute improvements to it. Wouldn't that make financial sense to Amazon?

I think that's a good idea and I wish they would do something like this. FWIW I disagree that the console is a usability disaster. We're very prone to hyperbole in this industry. It's definitely got a ton of room to improve but it's not the worst and it's usable. Hundreds of thousands of people use it all the time. I can give some background that might be helpful on why the UIs might not be open sourced. Each service…

LOL SAP has millions of users worldwide and their interfaces are as ugly as anything... and then Oracle Forms, people still using APEX type applications from the 1990s... End users don't get the choice, they get told...

Re: Show HN: Vantage – An alternative AWS console focused on developer experience

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Post by teemops »

itisit wrote: post #40
chippiewill wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From Amazon's perspective being unable to easily see what resources you have in your account might be a feature, not a bug.

AWS Cost Explorer easily reveals all resources in an account: https://aws.amazon.com/aws-cost-management/aws-cost-explorer...

AWS Resource Groups and Tag Editor lets you get visibility across your AWS Account for all resources, but not across multiple accounts...

Re: Show HN: Vantage – An alternative AWS console focused on developer experience

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Post by StratusBen »

samridh90 wrote: post #80

Congrats on the launch! Curious, how do you plan to handle CF template upgrades when you need additional permissions as you enhance the product?

We have some logic built into the app already for this. Vantage is aware of what permissions it has and what it needs to perform certain actions and will inform the user of what additional permissions are required.

We have dynamic instructions generated to the user to assign these permissions manually for now.

Re: Show HN: Vantage – An alternative AWS console focused on developer experience

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Post by StratusBen »

aynsof wrote: post #54
StratusBen wrote: post #33

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Thanks so much! We are letting our users dictate what services we support. We can typically add support for a new AWS service in a few hours at best or ~2 days at worst. The nice thing about Vantage is that its essentially a personalized console just for you - so even if we add support for a bunch of AWS services you'll have a console just for what services you're using. Also at one point we hope to hire some more en…

That kind of timeline is incredible. Are you able to share anything about your development processes that enable this?

We invested heavily in the tooling around how we interact with AWS from the get-go as we knew this would be a problem. That's all we're really publicly sharing right now :)

Re: Show HN: Vantage – An alternative AWS console focused on developer experience

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Post by diveanon »

StratusBen wrote: post #79
diveanon wrote: post #72

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Product looks really nice, going to pitch this later this week to our accounting and devops teams. What made you decide to build this as a separate product instead of advocating for an improved ui while still at Amazon? I guess to put it bluntly, are their people at Amazon who defend the current state of the console?

Great - feel free to email me if you need any help at ben@vantage.sh In all honesty it wasn't part of my purview while at AWS and I was happily focused on container services at the time (ECS/Fargate/EKS/etc). I think in order to make necessary changes at AWS on this level you'd really need a full reorganization of how teams are setup. We have a lot of liberties by starting fresh.

Makes perfect sense.

Good luck!

Re: Show HN: Vantage – An alternative AWS console focused on developer experience

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Post by Bjartr »

jack_riminton wrote: post #77
comex wrote: post #75

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In case it helps, I tried to recount my thoughts in the first few seconds after clicking the link. "An alternative AWS console" - cool. I'd been wondering if there were any good ones. What does it look like? There's a video, but as usual I don't want to watch a product video; I don't want to disturb people by playing audio over the speakers, and it takes too long. I scroll down… nope, no screenshots. There's "Get Sta…

This is the epitome of a snarky ‘Shown HN’ reply It’s almost like you’re relishing in finding pointless things to say “I don’t want to watch a video...waaa waaa waaa” It’s clearly their first release, chill out. You’re not being constructive, you’re just nitpicking OP: ignore them, it sounds like a great starting point to making a hell of a lot of peoples lives easier, nice release!

IMO, it looks like fairly constructive feedback delivered in a reasonable way. If I were OP, I'd want more posts like this, not fewer.

Re: Show HN: Vantage – An alternative AWS console focused on developer experience

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Post by samridh90 »

StratusBen wrote: post #84
samridh90 wrote: post #80

Congrats on the launch! Curious, how do you plan to handle CF template upgrades when you need additional permissions as you enhance the product?

We have some logic built into the app already for this. Vantage is aware of what permissions it has and what it needs to perform certain actions and will inform the user of what additional permissions are required. We have dynamic instructions generated to the user to assign these permissions manually for now.

Thanks for taking the time to reply, all the best with Vantage!
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