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Re: Pirate Bay founder thinks Parler’s inability to stay online is 'embarrassing'

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Post by jakelazaroff »

Meekro wrote: post #43
alphabet9000 wrote: post #38

"We don't condone gun violence. We believe that the world needs less guns, not more of them. We believe however that these prints will stay on the internets regardless of blocks and censorship, since that's how the internets works. If there's a lunatic out there who wants to print guns to kill people, he or she will do it. With or without TPB. Better to have these prints out in the open internets (TPB) and up for pee…

Seems reasonable to me! If your reason for existing is that "information wants to be free" but then you start making exceptions when it conflicts with your politics, people might think your real political philosophy is "pop music wants to be free."

Or, more charitably: your stance on information and freedom simply isn’t absolutist.

Re: Pirate Bay founder thinks Parler’s inability to stay online is 'embarrassing'

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Post by um_ya »

outoftheabyss wrote: post #36
Meekro wrote: post #30

In contrast, Gab actually owns their own ASN and announces their own routes[1]. Much harder to deplatform. I'd expect no less from a YC alum! [1] https://bgp.he.net/AS42651

I set up an account this evening and it’s unusable due to loading times. They’ve added 1.7m in 4 days which may explain it. Be interesting to see how long it takes them to scale

I've been impressed by Gab

Re: Pirate Bay founder thinks Parler’s inability to stay online is 'embarrassing'

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Post by tmpz22 »

ggggtez wrote: post #29
newacct583 wrote: post #2

Parler was, at the end of the day, a somewhat amateurish Twitter clone whose essential growth hack was that they decided to serve as a kind of ban evasion mechanism for Twitter. They had virtually no organic growth of their own, they worked by accepting the banned castoffs from another service and promising not to do any moderation. And then we had a historical incident of political violence perpetrated by the same d…

Not sure why the downvotes. This essentially is the same as my take. This is the inevitable result of pushing your brand as "no content moderation" but not actually having any skills or plans on what to do when it eventually caught up with them. Anyone familiar with 4chan knows that some of the earliest content that was banned on the platform include childporn and organizing raids/doxxing. If you read the terms of se…

Its downvoted because a large portion of HN users prefer alternative facts that allow them to feel superior as opposed to actual reality.

Re: Pirate Bay founder thinks Parler’s inability to stay online is 'embarrassing'

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Post by rconti »

rubyist5eva wrote: post #23
copperwater69 wrote: post #3

>In more recent years, Kolmoisoppi has moved on to fund Njalla, a privacy-centric domain name registration service. One he says was already asked to host Parler, and refused. >“Of course we wouldn't,” Kolmisoppi said. “We're pro human rights, which includes the right to not be killed by extreme right wing terrorists.” Why do I see this embarrassing justification so often? It doesn't make sense to equate speech with v…

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It seems they generally make the effort to explicitly call for nonviolence and the like.

I'm sure these "left wing riot" groups you mention crossed the line before, too, and had comments and pages removed.

Hell, notice that Parler got away with it, too until they didn't?

There's always a line, and sometimes it gets crossed. Pretending like nothing bad ever happens to group X, and everything bad always happens to group Y, and furthermore, insisting their behaviors are equivalent is, let's say, lacking in proof.

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Post by germinalphrase »

throwbacktictac wrote: post #49
CryptoGhost wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't even need to do that. The actual key to running an extremist / subversive / hate / unpopular website is NOT connecting the site to any in-person activities. As long as your website is just some text floating out there in the network there is a lot of wiggle room. Sure, companies like Google or WordPress will ban you if they don't like you, but you can still get service from Cloudflare, major web hosts, or d…

This sounds like double speak. Can you elaborate?

Anyone can say whatever they want on the Internet, but if your violence words become violent deeds you’re at risk of being dropped. So - don’t be violent.

Re: Pirate Bay founder thinks Parler’s inability to stay online is 'embarrassing'

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Post by idrios »

CryptoGhost wrote: post #32
bobsmooth wrote: post #7

Parler decided not to buy their own hardware and rent their own rack space. Plenty of other unpopular websites have figured it out.

You don't even need to do that. The actual key to running an extremist / subversive / hate / unpopular website is NOT connecting the site to any in-person activities. As long as your website is just some text floating out there in the network there is a lot of wiggle room. Sure, companies like Google or WordPress will ban you if they don't like you, but you can still get service from Cloudflare, major web hosts, or d…

Tbf, I don't think Parler ever saw itself as extremist. Obviously it was used by extremists, but as I've seen mentioned in other threads lately: When you create an alternative platform from the mainstream, the people who join it are either idealists, or are the people who were banned from the mainstream platforms. And if you don't have the resources to moderate those extremists (or foolishly choose not to), the extremists take over.

Re: Pirate Bay founder thinks Parler’s inability to stay online is 'embarrassing'

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

middleclick wrote: post #22
rubyist5eva wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until Apple decides to update Safari to block it.

Please point out which websites have been blocked in browsers.

Interestingly, at least Google doesn't seem to actually just their Safe Browsing list; not sure why.

Re: Pirate Bay founder thinks Parler’s inability to stay online is 'embarrassing'

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Post by Meekro »

kkielhofner wrote: post #46
Meekro wrote: post #30

In contrast, Gab actually owns their own ASN and announces their own routes[1]. Much harder to deplatform. I'd expect no less from a YC alum! [1] https://bgp.he.net/AS42651

They're only advertising to one peer. It's possible they have other peering arrangements in place they're not advertising to. Or maybe they're single homed. They also only have a single IPv4 /24 from ARIN. No IPv6. Not terribly robust or impressive. I've never used Gab or looked at their infrastructure before. A quick look shows they're behind Cloudflare. No clue where they're actually hosted or what the infra looks…

You're right that the single peer is a concern. Maybe they have others that are hidden for now, like you said?

I don't think they need more than a few IP addresses since most of their hardware could sit on a private network with only a single load balancer visible from the Internet. Also, a small ASN doesn't really need IPv6 compatibility to function, and won't for many years to come.

Since they're still using Cloudflare, it looks like multiple layers of defense. When Cloudflare eventually bans them, people will realize that it was only pointing to their own ASN and no one knows which datacenter it's in. The single peer with HE doesn't actually mean they're in an HE datacenter.

Re: Pirate Bay founder thinks Parler’s inability to stay online is 'embarrassing'

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Post by ggggtez »

zarkov99 wrote: post #45
mike_d wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a few thousand dollars a month I operate my own servers in n>1 physical locations with different companies and different transit providers. I figured it out. Pirate Bay figured it out. Any company that genuinely cares about eliminating SPOFs has figured it out.

Perhaps Parler did not realize that being aligned with conservatism was grounds for deplatforming. I am sure they will learn as will the whole world.

I'm not sure I like the world where conservatives are making bed-fellows with pedophiles and ISIS.

Over this last week, I've talked to people who have un-ironically argued that companies should not be allowed to moderate content... even if that content is illegal!

It's like a whole section of the population is just learning for the first time that the internet is real life and it's not the wild-west it was in the 90s.

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Post by cstejerean »

throwbacktictac wrote: post #49
CryptoGhost wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't even need to do that. The actual key to running an extremist / subversive / hate / unpopular website is NOT connecting the site to any in-person activities. As long as your website is just some text floating out there in the network there is a lot of wiggle room. Sure, companies like Google or WordPress will ban you if they don't like you, but you can still get service from Cloudflare, major web hosts, or d…

This sounds like double speak. Can you elaborate?

I think basically don’t use your platform to plan an insurrection and you should be fine. As soon as you start being used as the platform where violence is being organized all bets are off.
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