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Re: Europe Is Guaranteeing Citizens the Right to Repair

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Post by squiggleblaz » Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 8:43 PM UTC

Spivak wrote: post #201

hippich wrote: post #193

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You guys are forgetting another part of the chain, which can make decisions - consumers. If cost of throwing something away increases - may be that will make consumers choose something more reliable and serviceable. As if right now residential trash pickup service probably covers just the labor and machinery to get trash to the landfill

Laws like this are basically doomed at the start because consumers have very little choice in the amount of garbage they produce. It just ends up being an extra cost on consumers while the companies actually producing the trash go unpunished. There are some discretionary purchases like cards, wrapping paper, gift bags, single-use plastic bags that might move the needle a little but the bulk of my trash is packaging f…

> Laws like this are basically doomed at the start because consumers have very little choice in the amount of garbage they produce

Yep; and even if it turns out that there are two companies who offer products in the same market place, one with a kilogram of useless packaging and the other without any, it doesn't mean that the packaging is a salient distinction. I can't decide "I want to buy an iPhone without useless packaging" and the choice "Should I buy an iPhone with packaging or a lowend Android phone without packaging" isn't actually a plausible decision.

Re: Europe Is Guaranteeing Citizens the Right to Repair

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Post by esyir » Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 6:22 AM UTC

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #354

esyir wrote: post #304

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Isn't the warranty pretty much the metric of "how long it'll last", as expected by the manufacturer? A long warranty, while not a guarantee, is pretty correlated to the product lifespan.

I have not found it to be the case, one of my displays lasted 7 years and still works, the other gave out in 3, both had 1 year warfanty. Dell and asus respectively.

Think of it the other way round. Long warranties are indicative of a durable, long lasting product. A short warranty, however, does not necessarily indicate a crap product.

Of course this is not a perfect measure, but I do think that a correlation would exist here.

Re: Europe Is Guaranteeing Citizens the Right to Repair

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Post by TeMPOraL » Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 6:43 AM UTC

esyir wrote: post #362

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #354

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I have not found it to be the case, one of my displays lasted 7 years and still works, the other gave out in 3, both had 1 year warfanty. Dell and asus respectively.

Think of it the other way round. Long warranties are indicative of a durable, long lasting product. A short warranty, however, does not necessarily indicate a crap product. Of course this is not a perfect measure, but I do think that a correlation would exist here.

Or, they may also be indicative of the company making its money elsewhere, and thus willing to eat the cost of regular warranty replacement just to keep you tied to their hardware, so that they can exploit you elsewhere.

Re: Europe Is Guaranteeing Citizens the Right to Repair

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Post by neop1x » Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 9:34 AM UTC

shimonabi wrote: post #146

I recently bought a 50€ electric chainsaw at an Aldi discount store in Europe (against my better judgement). After a few uses, the chain tightening bolt broke into two pieces. I begged them to send me just the bolt, but NO. They said I'm not entitled to repair it. I was even willing to pay for it, but I couldn't find it below 15€ on the internet. So I sent the whole chainsaw to the repair service on their dime and th…

This. Manufacturers often don't provide spare parts to the users directly. Sony was not even able to sell a genuine smartphone battery to me. Apple Independent Repair program is a joke as you must be a company and go through their gatekeeper terms and selection process...

Re: Europe Is Guaranteeing Citizens the Right to Repair

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Post by mywacaday » Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 4:44 PM UTC

ako wrote: post #114

mywacaday wrote: post #51

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Youtube on my mother in laws Samsung tablet from 2013 has stopped working. It has stopped because it has android 4 and you can't update chrome past V42 and youtube won't load without a later version of chrome. I installed firefox and she has access to youtube through the web for now. The tablet is in immaculate condition physically. if it played youtube in 2013 it should be able to play it now, it cost over €500 at t…

That is not planned obsolence. Nobody said this tablet should stop working by 2021. It's simply the result of limiting cost of software development. If you are creating a new version of android, you cant affort to support all devices. If you create a new version of chrome, you cant affort to support all version of android. If you create a new version of youtube, you cant afford to support all versions of chrome, etc,…

Correction I installed Opera.

Anyone know why opera can run on android 4 and the latest Chrome can't/wont?

Re: Europe Is Guaranteeing Citizens the Right to Repair

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Post by shimonabi » Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 5:23 PM UTC

lostlogin wrote: post #197

shimonabi wrote: post #177

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It's a special bolt. I would have to buy a lathe. I have a 3D printer at home and I taught myself 3D design so I already made a bunch of replacement parts out of plastic.

How is the saw? I went the expensive route and got an electric Stihl. It’s a monster. I find the proper use of the saw to be more important that with a petrol saw as it isn’t immediately clear if it’s on or not. Others in the area are immediately aware when there is an idling chainsaw, but not so much with an electric one.

Well, you did the right thing. I think I will sell mine, because I also have an old small gasoline Stihl for firewood.

It sure is an interesting feeling how the blade stops immediately. Mine is 2000W. I always handle it like it is spinning, so there is no difference safety-wise.