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Visa and Plaid Abandon Merger After Antitrust Division’s Suit to Block

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Re: Visa and Plaid Abandon Merger After Antitrust Division’s Suit to Block

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Back when I used to run a web scraping shop, we had this exact request. I didn't know it was illegal at the time but we ultimately didn't do it because lot of people just want to pay as little as possible for scraping without considering the amount of work that goes behind it.

Web scraping is not illegal per se. Though it may be against the specific terms of service of the site you are scraping.

Even if it isn’t illegal it can be against the terms of service and void your warranty/insurance

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This is so terrible. Is there an easy way for me to write to Plaid to delete all my information or do I have to go into each service and unlink?

If you're in CA, use the CCPA. They claim to have removed my information in response to a CCPA request.

Nice to see somebody respecting the law. Atlassian is still claiming that if they give my account to somebody else then they can ignore my CCPA claims.

Re: Visa and Plaid Abandon Merger After Antitrust Division’s Suit to Block

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I am sure I will be called naive, but this is shocking to me. I assumed that Plaid was integrating with the banks and not doing this sort of thing because of the people associated with Plaid. Their seed round included Spark Capital and Google Ventures. Their most recent round included Mary Meeker and Andreessen Horowitz. [1] These investors have reputations to protect. This type of thing would certainly come out in d…

They're not hiding the fact. From their website [1]: "When you choose to connect your financial accounts to an app using Plaid, you will be prompted to enter the username and password associated with those accounts. Plaid then links your accounts to the app you want to use so you can share your data." [1] https://plaid.com/how-it-works-for-consumers/

"link" to me implies something along the lines of a FB/Google/GitHub OAuth login, not that they steal my credentials.

I guess technically they just say, "you will be prompted to enter the username and password associated with those accounts" and don't specify that they (Plaid) will be using your credentials, but I don't think it's clear enough that you are giving your credentials away!

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Whatever you think about Visa or this merger, this would be a major disappoint to Plaid's team members who thought they were in for a huge financial windfall. If that applies to anyone here, my sympathies and best of luck figuring out what's next for Plaid. Hopefully the morale hit isn't too big on the team.

I hope they fail. Some users report they deceptively impersonate the users bank in order to extract as many data points from them (loans, lines of credit, ...)

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I’ve some friends that works there, so I’m hesitant to say this, because I’m sorry for them, but Plaid is a terrible company. Their main product scrapes financial data from unsuspecting users that simply think they’re making a bank transfer and not signing away the privacy and security of their banking, 401k and trading information. https://twitter.com/seanieb/status/1298871471645761537?s=20

As someone who's worked in fintech for 10 years, I think this is a bad take. Out of all aggregators (what this is called), Plaid is by far the most open and privacy-forward. First, they're transparent about being a 3rd party that's part of the flow (see https://plaid.com/blog/the-all-new-plaid-link/ ). It's clear it's Plaid, they use neutral colors and not the bank's, etc. They have a portal where you can manage your…

> But yeah it's a less-than-ideal solution and it sucks that it doesn't work without creds flowing through

I can appreciate that Plaid is trying to push stuff forwards, but (Presumably) storing your bank credentials in plain-text is a far worse than a "less-than-ideal solution".

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Uh no. Plaid is probably worth much more now than it was when it was acquired. The entire market has become much more frothy. I would not be surprised if it could command a $10B+ valuation as a standalone company.

That doesn't mean much unless the employees have liquidity right? Presumably after the acquisition the employees would've been able to convert their options to cold hard cash.

acquisitions aren't necessarily great for employees because liquidation preferences apply.

with SPAC-mania they could merge with a SPAC or go public. my point is the path to going public is much easier now than a year ago.

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Maybe he wanted to tank the deal once they figured out Plaid scrapes financial portals instead of integrates with them.

because you sign a 5b deal and then do due diligence

Yes?

There are several iterations to deals that size with increasing levels of scrutiny.

Re: Visa and Plaid Abandon Merger After Antitrust Division’s Suit to Block

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I’ve some friends that works there, so I’m hesitant to say this, because I’m sorry for them, but Plaid is a terrible company. Their main product scrapes financial data from unsuspecting users that simply think they’re making a bank transfer and not signing away the privacy and security of their banking, 401k and trading information. https://twitter.com/seanieb/status/1298871471645761537?s=20

FWIW their competitor Teller uses the bank's own native APIs. The idea is the bank can't shut off Teller clients without shutting off their own customers. This involves a lot of iOS reverse engineering. So things like Plaid's Capital One integration breaking for months have never happened with Teller - who've been running for something like 5 years now. https://teller.io/

So Teller reverse engineers a bank's internal APIs and uses those to manage your account?

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They are getting sued by TD Bank for this very reason: > The bank said in the court filings that the interface "dupes" consumers into believing they are entering personal information into TD Bank's trusted platform. > "In reality, however, consumers are unwittingly giving their login credentials to the defendant, who takes the information, stores it on its servers, and uses it to mine consumers' bank records for valu…

I am sure I will be called naive, but this is shocking to me. I assumed that Plaid was integrating with the banks and not doing this sort of thing because of the people associated with Plaid. Their seed round included Spark Capital and Google Ventures. Their most recent round included Mary Meeker and Andreessen Horowitz. [1] These investors have reputations to protect. This type of thing would certainly come out in d…

In the “startup” world, this is simply the only way to do it when your goals are to be everyone’s service. Banks rarely create open APIs, and even when they do they are fragile and subject to whims as the banks are optimizing for security first (plus: they need strong incentives to maintain APIs since it’s not even in their core business).

And since you can’t rely on an API, “there’s no other option” which compounds with the fact that coding up a web scraper for a specific bank takes maybe a dozen programmer-hours. Then throw on a disclaimer to cover legal, and start counting your billions of unhatched eggs.

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>I thought the typical goal of hackers and startups Hackers and startups are two very different groups with very different ideologies and goals and incentives. No idea why you group them together. Some startups have no technical founders even. >"change the world" and "make a difference" Startups are businesses and like all businesses in the end they wish to make money. VCs, for example, are very clearly investors and…

> Some startups have no technical founders even. And most technical founders aren't hackers, though some definitely are.

How would you describe a hacker vs your average dev?
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