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Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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Post by ska »

tpmx wrote: post #55
tomalpha wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The headline doesn’t come across as misleading to me. I interpreted it as the temperature having been recorded somewhere in central Spain which appears to be accurate (granted my Spanish geography isn’t great). The tone also appears to be consistent with what else is being reported - that this is unusual or possibly even extreme weather. I’m assuming your expectation was different. If so I’d be be curious as to how y…

Knowing the topography of Spain helps. My interpretation is that the very, very woke BBC staff picked what seems like extreme temps from a mountain region and then technically correctly wrote that "Central Spain" "records temperatures of -25C". That is all. Do note: I'm not a climate change denier. I just hate crap like this, with a passion. I don't think we should have to abandon facts in this particular fight. It s…

This takes seems really off to me somehow.

They reported a min temperature of -25C, noted it is in an area known as "spanish siberia" (e.g. somewhere that expects cold weather) then note that it was unusually cold even for there, the coldest in 'at least 20 years'.

They also reported -16C in Madrid itself, and the struggles that hospitals were having with a combination of COVID impact and a large number of additional fracture cases from falling on ice.

None of this seem particularly sensationalized, misleading (intentionally or otherwise), or whatever you mean by "woke".

Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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Post by tpmx »

stickfigure wrote: post #107
serf wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as a former citizen of Huntington Beach CA during the 1997 El Nino storms, i'd take the snow. I have the newspaper clipping of my grandmother being rescued from her home via dinghy by city rescue workers. Everyone I knew had their house ruined in hours after weeks of shoveling sandbags fruitlessly in front of the neighborhoods and homes. And that was just the flood damage and personal effect , itself. Untold amounts…

Oh you sweet summer child... (take the summer part literally) > i'd rather sweep it off my roof Any significant amount of snow in LA would crush every single one of those beautiful flat modernist roofs. Snow load is no joke.

That's both very correct and very unfair, at the same time. Bravo!

/Spent an hour shoveling snow today

Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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Post by [deleted] »

jwcacces wrote: post #56
renedet wrote: post #53

Where's the global warming(lie)?

This is global warming. The globe as a whole gets warmer, and the weather gets more erratic. See: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2019/01/clima... https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2019/01/30/this... https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2020/12/if-global-warming... or anything else you get when you search "global warming colder winters"

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Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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Post by simias »

dieortin wrote: post #93
u678u wrote: post #57

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The Spanish people definitely dont have Canada quality heating or insulation. Compared to most of the world Canada is pretty much like living in the arctic. :) Even Americans dont want to live in the top half of the USA any more.

I don’t think heating quality or insulation is a problem for most people in central Spain.

Why do you think that? It's a pretty big problem in old buildings in the Paris city center, I'd be surprised if Madrid fared much better given its usually hotter climate.

Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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Post by jansan »

qayxc wrote: post #102
pengaru wrote: post #71

It's predicted that Europe will get colder due to climate change. "Europe will get cold toes" - NASA [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DldSBIja2Kw&t=46s

Only Spain isn't Europe - meanwhile 12° further north, temperatures are normal (even a bit on the warmer side) for the season. A single night of record breaking low temperatures doesn't mean much. 24 years ago today, it was -18°C in my little corner of the world, the next night it was more than 12°C warmer already. Freak weather extremes will increase in both intensity and frequency, but doomsday predictions usually…

>Freak weather extremes will increase in both intensity and frequency,

Is there really data to back this up?

Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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Post by maaaaattttt »

saool wrote: post #103
maaaaattttt wrote: post #33

To put this in context as well, most places (at the least in the southern parts of Spain) don't have central heating systems or proper insulation. A fireplace or reversible A/C if you're lucky.

I wouldn't extrapolate. Most places in Spain have and need heating, apart from a few coastal enclaves in the south. Spain is the 5th largest user of energy for residential heating in the EU, behind Germany, France, Italy, and Poland.

I agree this is rather limited to the south coast and the islands. But I would argue that high energy consumption could, in this case, very well be the sign of poor insulation and inefficient heating installations (A/C).

Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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Post by cambalache »

maaaaattttt wrote: post #116
saool wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't extrapolate. Most places in Spain have and need heating, apart from a few coastal enclaves in the south. Spain is the 5th largest user of energy for residential heating in the EU, behind Germany, France, Italy, and Poland.

I agree this is rather limited to the south coast and the islands. But I would argue that high energy consumption could, in this case, very well be the sign of poor insulation and inefficient heating installations (A/C).

On what grounds would you base that on beyond your prejudices?

Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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Post by qayxc »

jansan wrote: post #115
qayxc wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only Spain isn't Europe - meanwhile 12° further north, temperatures are normal (even a bit on the warmer side) for the season. A single night of record breaking low temperatures doesn't mean much. 24 years ago today, it was -18°C in my little corner of the world, the next night it was more than 12°C warmer already. Freak weather extremes will increase in both intensity and frequency, but doomsday predictions usually…

>Freak weather extremes will increase in both intensity and frequency, Is there really data to back this up?

Yes there is: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/03/180321130859.h...

Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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Post by switch007 »

I lived in Madrid over winter years ago, and it dropped to -6c for a few nights. I'm from the UK so I'm somewhat used to colder temperatures (it's 0c currently for example), but my god, that is the coldest I've ever felt in my life. I went to bed dressed in 3 layers of clothes and I was still freezing.

Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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Post by cosmodisk »

I did work at -20C some years ago in Lithuania in one of my construction gigs. It's bloody cold, yet we kind of are( or used to be) used to cold winters and people usually are well prepared: clothes, tyres, etc. At -25C it becomes difficult to breathe. Now it's all good and nice for northerners,but how the hell the Spaniards can survive it?!
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