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Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by baq »

b0rsuk wrote: post #192
baq wrote: post #59

I fully expect 2077 to be a fantastic game sometime around winter or spring 2022 which is when I'm planning to get it. I get the desire to play something new but I'm only now finishing Witcher 3 and I really enjoy the polished experience.

The game is missing systems and features that were promised. Can you count missing consequences or police AI as bugs? How about driving physics? No NPC schedules? Gun down a gang night club and the same faction doesn't care in another area. What are security cameras for? How about traffic AI...

i mean, i don't know what you're talking about since i didn't even watch any gameplay videos except the post-launch memes :) that's exactly why I want to give this game 12-18 months to get properly baked, assuming CDPR won't get blown up by courts (personally i don't expect things get that bad).

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by nimonian »

salmon30salmon wrote: post #64

People get their hopes up too much. I don't mean to "blame the victim" here, but at the same time I read all of the hype machine prior to a release and am not surprised that people are disappointed. Based on the hype and the expectations, nothing but the best game ever made will satisfy the crowd. This is the same for anything that is overhyped. Game of Thrones comes to mind as well. Everyone hated on the last season…

Telling people to relax is pretty much an ad hominem. Just because I'm disappointed and voice my criticism doesn't mean I'm being hysterical. It's art, I have opinions: season 8 was absolutely dreadful and cyberpunk is not as good as CDPR promised. The hype is a red herring.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by krzyk »

mamon wrote: post #160
krzyk wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally in Poland Polish companies are the worst employers in terms of using up employees and paying pennies, and also some times hiring on contract which doesn't give employees enough protection (in terms of pension, protection from being fired without severance package etc.) In the middle is government job (like, policeman, teacher, clerk at the government building) - you get poor pay, but you get normal employme…

Most people in the Polish software industry works on B2B contracts, for 30-50% better pay. And we typically don't need employment protection, since there's a line of employers eager to hire us. "Normal employment contracts" are for losers (Ok, they are useful under some very specific circumstances e.g. when you have a newborn baby and need a lot of paid sick leave. Outside of that situation, you're simply leaving mon…

> Most people in the Polish software industry works on B2B contracts

I'm not sure if it is "most". In every company I worked those were outliers (e.g. max ~10%, and in current company it is only for HR/reception workers), but yeah, it is quite common.

But not all employers allow B2B contracts and if they do, it frequently involves some kind of worse benefits than the usual employee contract. And different employers have different way of handling vacation (some don't pay for it, some do), so it is another caveat to watch for.

And B2B people are always the first ones to let go (they are hired, because of that "perk"), so you can find another job fast, but not always the one you want (e.g. further from your place).

Generally if your employer allows you to select form of employment it is quite good sign.

If the employer allows only B2B it is usually a way to cut costs for the employer and I would watch out.

As you can see I prefer normal, cosy employment contract, but yeah I have children so that probably influences my view.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by rootlocus »

nightski wrote: post #33
chundicus wrote: post #3

I hope this will encourage big studios to stop releasing broken games, but I doubt it will. The incentives are just so broken due to ease of patching, a need/desire for cash after a drawn out dev process, and a general disrespect for their customers. I think releasing a "broken" game in the form of "early access" from smaller studios can be good in terms of iterative and community development, but also that can be ab…

The thing is CD Project Red has released it's games in a really rough state before. All of the Witcher games were brutal on release. But every time they have not only released thousands of bug fixes/improvements for free, but also delivered large dlc/content updates. The difference with CP2077 I believe is that it was just the highest profile launch they have ever had by a wide margin. They are too big now. I don't r…

I played Witcher3 on release day, and it was nothing compared to Cyberpunk2077.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by rootlocus »

jgust wrote: post #20
chundicus wrote: post #3

I hope this will encourage big studios to stop releasing broken games, but I doubt it will. The incentives are just so broken due to ease of patching, a need/desire for cash after a drawn out dev process, and a general disrespect for their customers. I think releasing a "broken" game in the form of "early access" from smaller studios can be good in terms of iterative and community development, but also that can be ab…

It's a tragedy of the commons situation with gamer enthusiasts acting against their own best interest. If people can't delay gratification for something as inconsequential as "non-broken video games", I don't see how any personal responsibility campaign has any chance of working for things impacting society at large such as climate change, overfishing, public health, etc.

> If people can't delay gratification for something as inconsequential as "non-broken video games"

This doesn't make sense. The game was announced 8 years ago, and it was delayed 8 months. The company said the product was ready and they published a product that was not ready. I've delayed my gratification 8 years for it.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by dhagz »

haunter wrote: post #32
warpech wrote: post #2

It seems that everybody seems to hate this game, or rather unfinishedness of it. Meanwhile, I am playing it since 2 weeks on PS4 (not Pro) and totally enjoying every minute it.

I have the PS4 version (yes, base not Pro) and it's 900p-720p dynamically switching and 25fps, maybe 30 in better cases. Which is utter trash. It's like watching movies in 360p on Youtube. Or listening to music in 64kbsp. On top of that the story doesn't save the game either which is mediocre at best especially compared to what was promised. Then look at Ghost of Tsushima or RDR2 on the same console.

Exactly. The game supposedly looks beautiful, but I haven't seen that due to textures not loading well, general low resolution, and choppy FPS. And then I decide to switch to Red Dead Redemption 2, or a FromSoft game, or Battlefront 2 and see games that maintain decent FPS and graphical fidelity at a good resolution.

All of these games are cross-platform. It's possible. I just think the management of CDPR let everyone's pet feature into the timeline and marketing material without regard for the impact of delivery time.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by csours »

tiborsaas wrote: post #228
csours wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cats (2019) would like to have a word.

The Room (2003) likes this. The point is, that with certain products it's not a valid strategy, but fuckups do happen regardless :)

Cats 2019 had a bugfix patch released after it was already in theaters: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cats_(2019_film)#CGI_glitches_...

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by ethbr0 »

nmfisher wrote: post #208
ethbr0 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Management: So we ship as planned, and fix the bugs in a patch. What's curious, and I assume therefore legally-reasoned, is the consistent lack of preparation for blow-back by companies. Some part of CD Projekt Red knew the game was broken on older consoles. It feels like the only real solution to this is to have legal QA documents, signed off on by QA (as factual) and executive leadership (as read and understood).…

Are you honestly suggesting people go to jail for broken videogames?

Yes. It's a USD$150b+ industry.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by jgust »

rootlocus wrote: post #235
jgust wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a tragedy of the commons situation with gamer enthusiasts acting against their own best interest. If people can't delay gratification for something as inconsequential as "non-broken video games", I don't see how any personal responsibility campaign has any chance of working for things impacting society at large such as climate change, overfishing, public health, etc.

> If people can't delay gratification for something as inconsequential as "non-broken video games" This doesn't make sense. The game was announced 8 years ago, and it was delayed 8 months. The company said the product was ready and they published a product that was not ready. I've delayed my gratification 8 years for it.

The quote is referring to the concept of pre-ordering a game.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by [deleted] »

krzyk wrote: post #233
mamon wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people in the Polish software industry works on B2B contracts, for 30-50% better pay. And we typically don't need employment protection, since there's a line of employers eager to hire us. "Normal employment contracts" are for losers (Ok, they are useful under some very specific circumstances e.g. when you have a newborn baby and need a lot of paid sick leave. Outside of that situation, you're simply leaving mon…

> Most people in the Polish software industry works on B2B contracts I'm not sure if it is "most". In every company I worked those were outliers (e.g. max ~10%, and in current company it is only for HR/reception workers), but yeah, it is quite common. But not all employers allow B2B contracts and if they do, it frequently involves some kind of worse benefits than the usual employee contract. And different employers h…

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