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Re: Signal Fork with WhatsApp Migration

#61

Can someone explain to me what use case I'm missing? Why do people care about old messages? Personally I just read incoming message and never "scroll back".

Does it matter? People care. People don't want to lose years worth of chat histories with friends, family and their significant other(s). That's just how it is. I'm not sure why it's so hotly debated around here. People want to preserve their chats and their media. There's sentimental/emotional value to these things and they don't want to lose these things. That's all that should matter. I feel like these discussions always get bogged down in "but why", particularly from people who have a different opinion, when it's irrelevant. People value things differently. Just because their values are different from yours doesn't make them any less justified than you. This is reality. This is people.

If Signal wants to provide a mainstream secure and private alternative to WhatsApp, then it needs to make concessions to accommodate these preferences. If they don't want to, that's fine, but it also means I can't recommend Signal to non-tech friends/family.

Re: Signal Fork with WhatsApp Migration

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post #17

Fascinating and it sounds doable to me. However, not to my mother in law and most other people I know, which is the group that would require a method like this, but then it should be much easier.

This same argument is made over and over in many threds. I don't understand why this is so hard to understand. Even mobiles and social media were totally new to the older generation but they got used to it. How is this any different ?

Using mobiles/social media is a lot easier to grasp than the steps under "How to do it". Copying files around a mobile file system and building a whole Android application is completely different to what you are talking about.

Re: Signal Fork with WhatsApp Migration

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thats true, Telegram has very good UX. But bullshit crypto with a closed server etc. :-(

Indeed: signal proves that good UX and good security can coexist. Telegram proves that to have even better UX, you need to sacrifice security (and privacy).

I don't think the latter is true. It feels like the Signal team just isn't interested in taking on work (even work done by others) to improve the UX.

I can understand that they have limited funding and want to focus on the security features first and foremost, but that makes it really hard for me to get some of my friends to use it.

Having said that, I agree that Signal's UX is not bad, just that it could be better.

Re: Signal Fork with WhatsApp Migration

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post #39
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thats true, Telegram has very good UX. But bullshit crypto with a closed server etc. :-(

Indeed: signal proves that good UX and good security can coexist. Telegram proves that to have even better UX, you need to sacrifice security (and privacy).

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Re: Signal Fork with WhatsApp Migration

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post #37
post #17

Fascinating and it sounds doable to me. However, not to my mother in law and most other people I know, which is the group that would require a method like this, but then it should be much easier.

I see this here as a 'first step'. The second step either upstream integrating it, or it becoming an own app on the appstores.

Please not the latter. There are sooo many apps out there where you wonder if it's a honeypot, has more or less functionality, or is a completely different product. All because the name is similar, and the app icon the same or imperceptibly different.

Re: Signal Fork with WhatsApp Migration

#68

What went wrong with XMPP and federated servers?

Nothing on Windows had voice and video for a long time but Google Talk. More and more people used Google Talk and Facebook. Facebook never federated. Good mobile support took a long time. Google defederated. Facebook and Google cut off other clients.

Re: Signal Fork with WhatsApp Migration

#70

Anyone know how to get their elderly parents to switch? Whatsapp has us cornered and they know it.

Ironically my more elderly contacts added me on Signal nearly immediately after I sent a broadcast message to the WA users I chat with frequently, it was the younger contacts that I had more resistance from.
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