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Facebook confirms data-sharing agreements with Chinese firms, including Huawei (2018)

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About the same as: "Trumps NSA spokesperson said all the data collected remained on users' phones not servers." Let's not do the moral arguments at the tail end of Trump regime in America, shall we?

I am familiar with this Trump person and I dont really care about him or what goes on in America. Ghana has some interesting things going on these days. Should we bring them up too?

Sure, it has about as much relation to the whole issue like randomly replacing subjects in sentences with other organizations has.

I mean if CCP is same as Huawei, Trumps government has to be the same as Facebook and might as well find a way to equate Ghanas government with something if we're being all xenophobic. Maybe something about the government being criminals because it's mostly people of color?

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Facebook is one of these companies that are so disconnected with their user base they cannot even comprehend why people are upset. The best part about facebook is that they think they're so freaking good, lecturing others about how to speak and act while themselves doing the opposite. Corporate double speak, the main thing I hate about woke culture.

Corporations adhering to 'woke' politics / ethics is a result of this overprotectedness that the most recent generation was subjected to. Jonathan Haidt has a lot of great work in this area. He mentions how things started to shift in earnest around 2015, and I gotta tell you, having left college at 2013, I definitely agree. I started seeing rumblings of it around that time. Eventually those people leave university an…

And it seems many of those students have ended up in the social media departments of those large corporations, because they "understand" social media "better than older people".

Meanwhile some senior managers must be asking themselves whether they'd be better off having no Twitter presence at all.

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Isn't it ironic that the US campaign against Huawei has created a series of highend phones that are completely free from:

Google Play Store

YouTube

Facebook

All the companies that are currently censoring and blocking the Trump movement.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Corporations adhering to 'woke' politics / ethics is a result of this overprotectedness that the most recent generation was subjected to. Jonathan Haidt has a lot of great work in this area. He mentions how things started to shift in earnest around 2015, and I gotta tell you, having left college at 2013, I definitely agree. I started seeing rumblings of it around that time. Eventually those people leave university an…

I completely disagree, I am ~30 and I believe my generation strongly dislikes woke culture and people younger than me hates it with all their hearts, except for a rare few that is into it. The main pushers of woke culture, imo, is my parents generation and generally people older than 40. My generation cares a lot more about facts than the boomer generation which cares a lot more about feelings. That is why when selli…

> my generation strongly dislikes woke culture and people younger than me hates it with all their hearts, except for a rare few that is into it.

My nephew has a totally different take on this... he's graduating from UT Austin, and I know that's a very liberal campus, but he's also persona non grata, being a 22 year old straight white male who got his Dad's 9/11 G.I. Bill and grew up in thoroughly middle class / lower upper middle class areas for his entire life.

He had a bit of mini-breakdown when he and his girlfriend came to spend a weekend with me in Fort Worth around Christmastime. The constant barrage of "white men" being the source of the world's problems, and "recognize / check your privilege" when he would have discussions in classes over the past four years had really worn on him.

Re: Facebook confirms data-sharing agreements with Chinese firms, including Huawei (2018)

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This is unbelievably concerning because Facebook is pre-installed on many phones now, and Facebook's apps send your out-of-app SMS messages to Facebook. This is part of the reason I quit the app; Literally gathering up my texts and keeping them on their servers without my knowledge or direct consent is an overwhelmingly huge violation of privacy. This is why I recommend everyone download a copy of their Facebook data. If you still have an account, you shouldn't.

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The article says this was a deal to have Facebook apps pre-installed on Huawei phones which Facebook also has with other manufacturers. This Reuters article says it was ended in 2019: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-huawei-tech-usa-facebook-...

So this OP's article is obsolete now ?

Obsolecense assumes that something has become outdated. If you did something morally reprehensible, then it doesn't become outdated unless you apologize and promise that you'll never do it again, or that you in the least admit that you made a mistake. I do not know if Facebook did that before ending their contract. Either way people and companies who misuse trust like that still deserve criticism. That's the only way we can make sure that things change for the better.

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This is unbelievably concerning because Facebook is pre-installed on many phones now, and Facebook's apps send your out-of-app SMS messages to Facebook. This is part of the reason I quit the app; Literally gathering up my texts and keeping them on their servers without my knowledge or direct consent is an overwhelmingly huge violation of privacy. This is why I recommend everyone download a copy of their Facebook data…

the data is already up there, everywhere... instead of deleting facebook account just be a regular joe; never post personal stuff, just memes or scientific things, news

this way wherever they data mine your data it will only return crap

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I completely disagree, I am ~30 and I believe my generation strongly dislikes woke culture and people younger than me hates it with all their hearts, except for a rare few that is into it. The main pushers of woke culture, imo, is my parents generation and generally people older than 40. My generation cares a lot more about facts than the boomer generation which cares a lot more about feelings. That is why when selli…

> my generation strongly dislikes woke culture and people younger than me hates it with all their hearts, except for a rare few that is into it. My nephew has a totally different take on this... he's graduating from UT Austin, and I know that's a very liberal campus, but he's also persona non grata, being a 22 year old straight white male who got his Dad's 9/11 G.I. Bill and grew up in thoroughly middle class / lower…

It is precisely this that mass-produces the sort of angry young white man that attacked DC. People thought I was being too dramatic when I had been saying this for the past four angry years (for everyone): Stop frivolously accusing young white men of being "racists," and being "Nazis." Don't use those words to beat people over the head with it. The political mindset that enables the use of those words as blunt weapons against those we hate is resentment-based and vengeance is its goal.

The use of these terms as bludgeons in a lot of these youth cultures combined with a culture that makes young men feel increasingly isolated with its habitual treatment of them that is at best arid and at worst psychologically abusive. "They'll be alright," everyone reasons. "They have everything given to them by default." By whom?

In my guesstimation, it amounts to gaslighting. Young angry white men feel deprived by society of anything to grasp, or to believe in, or to look forward to, or to work toward. Then they're told that, even though they were among the first generation that was wholly ready to forget about race and ignore it as a social factor... they were told, oh no, you're always racist. In fact, irony of ironies, you're racist by blood and birth. How sustainable is such a social environment before legions of terrified young men start picking up the label that has been thrown at their feet and wearing it as a badge of honor because it's the only possible identity they have left? "Fine, I'll give them something to treat like shit."

Plus, those are not the sorts of words (racist and Nazi) we should risk over-using and numbing people to... We kinda want them to keep their sting. So, let's not morph them into a weapon to justify treating our fellow humans poorly. I think doing that might actually mass-produce neo-Nazis.

Re: Facebook confirms data-sharing agreements with Chinese firms, including Huawei (2018)

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Facebook is one of these companies that are so disconnected with their user base they cannot even comprehend why people are upset. The best part about facebook is that they think they're so freaking good, lecturing others about how to speak and act while themselves doing the opposite. Corporate double speak, the main thing I hate about woke culture.

Facebook is absolutely not disconnected from their userbase - their product is great at addressing their user's needs. There are many problems with Facebook, including being disconnected with the law/regulations, ethics and morals, but being disconnected from their userbase is not that. Regarding "wokeness", this is not specific to Facebook per-se and is commonplace in the startup/tech world where the majority of com…

I think what Facebook is very good at is developing features and app elements that Increase User Engagement(TM). Which is some thin PR language on top of the truth: Facebook develops their apps to maximize user addiction and subsequently enact a lot of de-facto peer pressure to constantly expand their install base without them even having to try. Built-in word of mouth plus peer-pressure.

Facebook conditions their userbase to need the app in their life, whether because your pictures are all there or because your family is on it, and beyond that it doesn't really matter if they listen to their base. They've got them already.

Maybe the userbase thinks facebook addresses their users' "needs" (strong word for it), but that's more of a commentary on FB's propaganda team and black-hat UX than anything else.

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