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Facebook confirms data-sharing agreements with Chinese firms, including Huawei (2018)

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Re: Facebook confirms data-sharing agreements with Chinese firms, including Huawei (2018)

#11

Post by cbozeman »

ecmascript wrote: post #9

Facebook is one of these companies that are so disconnected with their user base they cannot even comprehend why people are upset. The best part about facebook is that they think they're so freaking good, lecturing others about how to speak and act while themselves doing the opposite. Corporate double speak, the main thing I hate about woke culture.

Corporations adhering to 'woke' politics / ethics is a result of this overprotectedness that the most recent generation was subjected to. Jonathan Haidt has a lot of great work in this area. He mentions how things started to shift in earnest around 2015, and I gotta tell you, having left college at 2013, I definitely agree. I started seeing rumblings of it around that time. Eventually those people leave university and go get jobs at these corporations.

The other part, and I don't know how dramatic it is, is that a lot of corporations are so terrified of losing a single nickel, that they'll support whatever trend of the moment they need to, to protect their profits.

Re: Facebook confirms data-sharing agreements with Chinese firms, including Huawei (2018)

#12

Post by londons_explore »

What data was shared?

Simple data of "users of the facebook app on your devices spent ~1 hour per day on the app" sounds like legitimate data to share to decide how much facebook should pay for the privilege of being preinstalled.

I can see how the companies involved need to see the data to audit it.

As long as that was the scope, that sounds fine.

Re: Facebook confirms data-sharing agreements with Chinese firms, including Huawei (2018)

#13

Post by ecmascript »

cbozeman wrote: post #11
ecmascript wrote: post #9

Facebook is one of these companies that are so disconnected with their user base they cannot even comprehend why people are upset. The best part about facebook is that they think they're so freaking good, lecturing others about how to speak and act while themselves doing the opposite. Corporate double speak, the main thing I hate about woke culture.

Corporations adhering to 'woke' politics / ethics is a result of this overprotectedness that the most recent generation was subjected to. Jonathan Haidt has a lot of great work in this area. He mentions how things started to shift in earnest around 2015, and I gotta tell you, having left college at 2013, I definitely agree. I started seeing rumblings of it around that time. Eventually those people leave university an…

I completely disagree, I am ~30 and I believe my generation strongly dislikes woke culture and people younger than me hates it with all their hearts, except for a rare few that is into it.

The main pushers of woke culture, imo, is my parents generation and generally people older than 40. My generation cares a lot more about facts than the boomer generation which cares a lot more about feelings.

That is why when selling to my generation you always want to be upfront with facts and pricing and when selling to older people you want to paint how the product or service are gonna make their lives better and much more about the emotions.

My generation is used to being spammed by information since we were small, my parents weren't and are much more susceptible to bullshit.

Re: Facebook confirms data-sharing agreements with Chinese firms, including Huawei (2018)

#14

Post by throwaway3975 »

londons_explore wrote: post #12

What data was shared? Simple data of "users of the facebook app on your devices spent ~1 hour per day on the app" sounds like legitimate data to share to decide how much facebook should pay for the privilege of being preinstalled. I can see how the companies involved need to see the data to audit it. As long as that was the scope, that sounds fine.

This is answered in the article:

> Facebook said all the data collected remained on users' phones not servers.

> A Huawei spokesperson said: "Like all leading smartphone providers, Huawei has worked with Facebook to make Facebook's services more convenient for users. Huawei has never collected or stored any Facebook user data."

Re: Facebook confirms data-sharing agreements with Chinese firms, including Huawei (2018)

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Post by Nextgrid »

ecmascript wrote: post #9

Facebook is one of these companies that are so disconnected with their user base they cannot even comprehend why people are upset. The best part about facebook is that they think they're so freaking good, lecturing others about how to speak and act while themselves doing the opposite. Corporate double speak, the main thing I hate about woke culture.

Facebook is absolutely not disconnected from their userbase - their product is great at addressing their user's needs.

There are many problems with Facebook, including being disconnected with the law/regulations, ethics and morals, but being disconnected from their userbase is not that.

Regarding "wokeness", this is not specific to Facebook per-se and is commonplace in the startup/tech world where the majority of companies make their revenue from intangible things such as "growth and engagement" which bad PR (or just a loud minority) would adversely affect. Wokeness is not usually a thing in companies which have a competitive edge and a real product people buy because their revenue isn't entirely dependent on public opinion and their competitive edge means it's hard/impossible to replace their product with a competitor's (assuming there are competitors even).

Re: Facebook confirms data-sharing agreements with Chinese firms, including Huawei (2018)

#17

Post by griffoa »

throwaway3975 wrote: post #14
londons_explore wrote: post #12

What data was shared? Simple data of "users of the facebook app on your devices spent ~1 hour per day on the app" sounds like legitimate data to share to decide how much facebook should pay for the privilege of being preinstalled. I can see how the companies involved need to see the data to audit it. As long as that was the scope, that sounds fine.

This is answered in the article: > Facebook said all the data collected remained on users' phones not servers. > A Huawei spokesperson said: "Like all leading smartphone providers, Huawei has worked with Facebook to make Facebook's services more convenient for users. Huawei has never collected or stored any Facebook user data."

> A H̶u̶a̶w̶e̶i̶ CCP spokesperson said: "Like all leading smartphone providers, H̶u̶a̶w̶e̶i̶ CCP has worked with Facebook to make Facebook's services more convenient for users. H̶u̶a̶w̶e̶i̶ CCP has never collected or stored any Facebook user data."

How does it sound now?

Re: Facebook confirms data-sharing agreements with Chinese firms, including Huawei (2018)

#18

Post by josefx »

londons_explore wrote: post #12

What data was shared? Simple data of "users of the facebook app on your devices spent ~1 hour per day on the app" sounds like legitimate data to share to decide how much facebook should pay for the privilege of being preinstalled. I can see how the companies involved need to see the data to audit it. As long as that was the scope, that sounds fine.

Why would facebook have to share that kind of data? Wouldn't that be available at the OS level?

Re: Facebook confirms data-sharing agreements with Chinese firms, including Huawei (2018)

#19

Post by izacus »

griffoa wrote: post #17
throwaway3975 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is answered in the article: > Facebook said all the data collected remained on users' phones not servers. > A Huawei spokesperson said: "Like all leading smartphone providers, Huawei has worked with Facebook to make Facebook's services more convenient for users. Huawei has never collected or stored any Facebook user data."

> A H̶u̶a̶w̶e̶i̶ CCP spokesperson said: "Like all leading smartphone providers, H̶u̶a̶w̶e̶i̶ CCP has worked with Facebook to make Facebook's services more convenient for users. H̶u̶a̶w̶e̶i̶ CCP has never collected or stored any Facebook user data." How does it sound now?

About the same as:

"Trumps NSA spokesperson said all the data collected remained on users' phones not servers."

Let's not do the moral arguments at the tail end of Trump regime in America, shall we?

Re: Facebook confirms data-sharing agreements with Chinese firms, including Huawei (2018)

#20

Post by griffoa »

izacus wrote: post #19
griffoa wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A H̶u̶a̶w̶e̶i̶ CCP spokesperson said: "Like all leading smartphone providers, H̶u̶a̶w̶e̶i̶ CCP has worked with Facebook to make Facebook's services more convenient for users. H̶u̶a̶w̶e̶i̶ CCP has never collected or stored any Facebook user data." How does it sound now?

About the same as: "Trumps NSA spokesperson said all the data collected remained on users' phones not servers." Let's not do the moral arguments at the tail end of Trump regime in America, shall we?

I am familiar with this Trump person and I dont really care about him or what goes on in America. Ghana has some interesting things going on these days. Should we bring them up too?
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