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Re: Moderna is announcing three new vaccine programs

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I am curious how a trial for the HIV vaccine will proceed in a world where PrEP is available.

I didn't know about PrEP, but from what I've just read it has to be taken daily in order to be effective. A vaccine could be a safer method.

It does not have to be taken daily - https://www.iwantprepnow.co.uk/how-to-take-prep/

Re: Moderna is announcing three new vaccine programs

#102
post #25

Would it be easier to cover more flu strains with an mRNA vaccine? Could we shove like 100 in there?

There is a Netflix documentary called Pandemic about couple that is trying to eradicate flu. They found vaccine that works on all flu viruses but it takes 6 shots to work. That’s not practical at all therefore it’s not on the market yet.

I dunno, plenty of people take an annual flu shot already.

Conspiracy glasses on, what if the annual flu vaccine manufacturers are actively preventing a universal vaccine from happening? It's a big recurring source of income for them after all.

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Also, can we get a vaccine for most of the common colds??

Found this: https://www.verywellhealth.com/why-there-will-never-be-a-vac... > Vaccines target a specific virus or pathogen. One difficulty with developing a vaccine for the common cold is there are at least 200 different viruses that can cause cold symptoms, including rhinovirus, coronavirus, adenoviruses, and parainfluenza.1 > Rhinovirus makes up about 75% of colds. Still, there are more than 150 strains of it circu…

I'm ignorant, but could they put a tiny dose of all 175 variants into a single shot and yeet that into people in one go?

Re: Moderna is announcing three new vaccine programs

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I found that article very interesting, and think describing the pushback as PR threats from conspiracy theorists oversimplifies just a bit. Aa mentioned in the article, it's very possible the vaccine triggers a rare, genetically associated autoimmune disorder normally caused by Lyme disease. It was also released roughly concurrently with at least one vaccine that was legitimately withdrawn for safety reasons. Compare…

The argument I've always read is that it should be made available to people who live in areas with lots of ticks, not that it should be pushed on everyone.

Yes, kind of like how you should get shots for yellow fever or tropical diseases when going on some trips.

But if you begin saying you need shots to go in Poland, it's maybe not going to be accepted as easily as for tropical countries...

BTW the side effects of the shots we give to go to French Guyane is something to behold. Roommate was literally covered with red dots and it itched like hell.

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#105
post #33

biontech also just published a paper on how they're trying to tackle MS. mrna therapeutics are exciting stuff!

I saw this right before I came here: "FANTASTIC NEWS—A potential vaccine for multiple sclerosis is now within sight on the horizon! And it’s an mRNA vaccine by BioNTech, maker of the Pfizer #COVID19 vaccine. Study in mice shows great promise for improving symptoms & stopping MS progression!"

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1348912741562667008

Re: Moderna is announcing three new vaccine programs

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post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Found this: https://www.verywellhealth.com/why-there-will-never-be-a-vac... > Vaccines target a specific virus or pathogen. One difficulty with developing a vaccine for the common cold is there are at least 200 different viruses that can cause cold symptoms, including rhinovirus, coronavirus, adenoviruses, and parainfluenza.1 > Rhinovirus makes up about 75% of colds. Still, there are more than 150 strains of it circu…

I'm ignorant, but could they put a tiny dose of all 175 variants into a single shot and yeet that into people in one go?

This could be done with the mRNA technology, where you basically "print out" the requested mRNA overnight. Encoding several proteins is possible.

How the organism would react to such a flurry of foreign proteins, that is another question. 175 unknown proteins is a lot, the immune system could be roused beyond safe levels. It is possible to kill a person (or a mouse) by overstimulating its immune system.

Re: Moderna is announcing three new vaccine programs

#107

I am curious how a trial for the HIV vaccine will proceed in a world where PrEP is available.

There's a lot of places in the world that have not approved PrEP. And just like a birth control pill, it has to be taken daily -- and that is something that is hard for a lot of people to do consistently. Even in the West, isn't it really expensive?

> It does not have to be taken daily. You can take PrEP 'event driven', it is 'approved' this way by the WHO for MSM: https://www.who.int/hiv/pub/prep/211/en/

(Apparently event driven PrEP is indeed not approved or recommended for women.)

> Even in the West, isn't it really expensive?

One datapoint: In Belgium the out of pocket cost is 5 euros per package of 30 pills.

Re: Moderna is announcing three new vaccine programs

#108
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Really good news! Hopefully these get approved relatively quickly. I'm most excited about the seasonal flu vaccine. That could be a major game changer.

I can't understand people who wants to get vaccinated yearly for just a flu. Please make me understand. I mean it's just a flu and we have Netflix. As a Moderna shareholder I think that is stupid. As a healthy eater I think that is really stupid. Now I can only think I must be really stupid.

I rarely get true flu, but when I do, every 15 years or so, I definitely cannot just lie around and watch Netfix. It is excruciating.

Re: Moderna is announcing three new vaccine programs

#109
post #14

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Don't they already have flu vaccines. I thought the issue was that they changed so rapidly the vaccines can't keep up?

Yeah, it's very difficult to predict which are going to be the dominant strains so they take a best guess, include the several candidates that they expect to be most virulent that season and ship that as the "flu vaccine" that season. The hope is that with a much faster time from approval -> production, in theory we could reassess in October / December / February and vaccinate against the most virulent strains that a…

Specifically we guess based on the other hemisphere since flu is mostly a winter illness -- People report "flu" year round, but the deadly Influenza virus is most "flu" in winter, whereas in summer most "flu" was just a bad cold, in medicine the term is ILI (Influenza Like Illness). This gives us several months between the worst of their Influenza cases on the far side of the world and us needing to inject our vulnerable populations with a vaccine.

This means the relatively mild flu load in Australia and especially New Zealand actually hurt this year's Northern Hemisphere guess - they were isolating because of COVID-19 and so they had far fewer than usual cases on which to base guesses.

Re: Moderna is announcing three new vaccine programs

#110

Damn can you imagine? I never imagined that an HIV vaccine would be possible within my lifetime. Kind of reminds me of HepC. An older coworker told me how a friend killed himself back in the day for getting HepC from tainted blood (pretty much a death sentence at that time and it consumed him). But now it’s possible to CURE it and hopefully it’ll be the same for HIV soon. Fuck, science like this is amazing.

Just to be clear, a vaccine doesn't cure a disease. It prevents one from contracting it.

Getting to the parent comment though it's amazing how far we've come in that we already do have virtually 100% affective prevention from medicine. PrEP and the knowledge that non-detectible = non-transmissible.

I've been re-watching Queer as Folk which isn't that old and it's crazy how aged it feels because we've made so much progress over the last 10 years. BTW amazing show if anyone hasn't seen - wish you could get HD version with the original soundtrack.

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