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Post by ShamelessC »

rcoveson wrote: post #220
ShamelessC wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easy there. A lot of people are having problems with this game, but not exactly everyone. There's just no way for you to know why you're having bugs and others aren't. That doesn't mean you get to just straight up claim someone else is lying about their experience.

I understand where you're coming from, but I reserve the right the call out an extraordinarily strong claim as questionable. I stand by what I said. GP may not be lying, in which case I believe they have either only just started the game, or are not paying attention to its many readily reproducible, unavoidable glitches.

Okay, that's fair actually. There are definitely enough bugs in the game that aren't necessarily game-breaking but are absolutely frequent enough to see at least once throughout say, 50 hours of gameplay. I was arguing in bad faith by assuming you were accusing people of lying. My bad.

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Post by webmaven »

huehehue wrote: post #177
incrudible wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree that this is getting worse. Every game of this magnitude of complexity has shipped broken, even way back in the nineties. The Elder Scrolls series in particular comes to mind. Back then, you'd get patches from print media. The games that didn't ship broken simply weren't that complex. Console games never were that complex. PC gamers gamers accepted this in order to be able to (sort of) play through an expe…

From a very, very casual gamer's perspective, how did expectations get so high? Consumers are demanding more, companies are promising more, developers are worked to the bone and everyone still ends up unhappy. Does pricing, pre-orders, or online play have anything to do with this? It feels weird that a sports game can change a few names and ship a $60 title, but a company like CDPR goes through absolute hell and stil…

> From a very, very casual gamer's perspective, how did expectations get so high? Consumers are demanding more, companies are promising more, developers are worked to the bone and everyone still ends up unhappy.

The dynamic is the same in films, where all of the studio's profits come from a few blockbusters (sometimes called 'tentpoles'), and in publishing, where all of the profits come from relatively few bestsellers, and got that matter in venture capital, where all of the returns come from a few unicorns.

BTW, you might be interested to note that in film at least, the "work to the bone" component is largely missing (not that film crews don't work hard, they do), and that the film industry is unionized to the hilt (Screen Writers Guild, Screen Actors' Guild, Directors' Guild of America, International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees, etc. etc.), nor is pervasive unionization any sort of barrier to incorporating equity compensation (often in the form of residuals) for key talent.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by croo »

> If UOKiK finds that CD Projekt Red acting misleadingly ahead of Cyberpunk 2077’s launch, and has not done enough to address the game’s issues, the developer could face a 10 per cent fine of its annual income.

Seriously?? 10 percent annual income for just a game that is somewhat broken on some of the platforms? Can we get this kind of fine for other companies (eg Facebook) instead of a slap on the wrist? Did Boeing pay 10 percent of annual income for the 737 max "error"?(of course not.) Bonkers.

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Post by rasz »

outworlder wrote: post #69
chundicus wrote: post #3

I hope this will encourage big studios to stop releasing broken games, but I doubt it will. The incentives are just so broken due to ease of patching, a need/desire for cash after a drawn out dev process, and a general disrespect for their customers. I think releasing a "broken" game in the form of "early access" from smaller studios can be good in terms of iterative and community development, but also that can be ab…

> I hope this will encourage big studios to stop releasing broken games The game wasn't "broken" at all. I've finished it a couple of days ago. It works fine on the PC. It wasn't a matter of releasing an unfinished game as in the "early access" model like you are describing. It was a matter of deciding to release the game in platforms that were underpowered, like the PS4.

Even stock poor spec PS4 wasnt as bad as media would led you to believe. It runs at 30 fps with occasional drops to 20 fps and seldom/very rare 15fps, MUCH better than past critically acclaimed games like Control which shipped garbage running at literal _10 fps_. Ps4 will also crash on you once every ~5 hours, probably not fixed memory leaks. Still game saves often so its not a problem, more of an annoyance. Other than that its smooth sailing.

You can check it out for yourself here https://www.twitch.tv/ckplayer0ne/videos?filter=archives&sor... CK is doing a full play thru on base PS4 and its fine.

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Post by rasz »

ShamelessC wrote: post #210
ojnabieoot wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO the real issue is less that it’s unfinished and more that the product at its best doesn’t seem to live up to its lofty expectations (disclaimer: have not played it and don’t intend to until it goes on sale, just watched others and read a good number of reviews). From what I understand it’s a fairly anodyne action-RPG, with routine quests, an underwhelming plot, and not too many interesting choices for character d…

> and as an open world city it’s a shallow clone of a GTA game I have played about 200 hours of the game on Ultra with Ray Tracing and this is the only point I disagree on. The graphics and beautiful design of the city is _the_ major accomplishment of this game. It's significantly more dense in terms of graphical fidelity and polygon count. I found myself often just ignoring the actual gameplay and parkouring around…

you can check it out in motion here, does it really look like ps3 game to you?

https://www.twitch.tv/ckplayer0ne/videos?filter=archives&sor...

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by rrrrrrrrrrrryan »

outworlder wrote: post #69
chundicus wrote: post #3

I hope this will encourage big studios to stop releasing broken games, but I doubt it will. The incentives are just so broken due to ease of patching, a need/desire for cash after a drawn out dev process, and a general disrespect for their customers. I think releasing a "broken" game in the form of "early access" from smaller studios can be good in terms of iterative and community development, but also that can be ab…

> I hope this will encourage big studios to stop releasing broken games The game wasn't "broken" at all. I've finished it a couple of days ago. It works fine on the PC. It wasn't a matter of releasing an unfinished game as in the "early access" model like you are describing. It was a matter of deciding to release the game in platforms that were underpowered, like the PS4.

Arguably, they just needed (much) more time to optimize the game for underpowered, older consoles.

Which would mean they released it unfinished, in a sense.

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Post by rasz »

haunter wrote: post #32
warpech wrote: post #2

It seems that everybody seems to hate this game, or rather unfinishedness of it. Meanwhile, I am playing it since 2 weeks on PS4 (not Pro) and totally enjoying every minute it.

I have the PS4 version (yes, base not Pro) and it's 900p-720p dynamically switching and 25fps, maybe 30 in better cases. Which is utter trash. It's like watching movies in 360p on Youtube. Or listening to music in 64kbsp. On top of that the story doesn't save the game either which is mediocre at best especially compared to what was promised. Then look at Ghost of Tsushima or RDR2 on the same console.

>900p-720p dynamically switching and 25fps, maybe 30

>It's like watching movies in 360p on Youtube

surely you mean like watching 720p Youtube :)

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by tiborsaas »

csours wrote: post #106
tiborsaas wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Buy you don't release half cut movies, unfinished novels, unmastered songs. Technically you can, but not at full price after years of hype. I think what happened here is that investors pushed the game to be out since it was xmas and the two console platforms were real hungry for a big title.

Cats (2019) would like to have a word.

The Room (2003) likes this. The point is, that with certain products it's not a valid strategy, but fuckups do happen regardless :)

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Post by ipiz0618 »

Never played the Cyberpunk 2077, but having recently finished Witcher 3 GOTY edition, it seems there are still a substantial number of bugs in it. Some bugs even prevented me from finishing a quest.

Despite this, I still enjoyed the game a lot. I wonder why the reaction is so different this time, as CDPR is not known for their "perfect" gameplay. That said, given their style of releasing, I'd prefer playing it later for patches and free additional content.

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Post by nirv »

pid_0 wrote: post #170
warpech wrote: post #2

It seems that everybody seems to hate this game, or rather unfinishedness of it. Meanwhile, I am playing it since 2 weeks on PS4 (not Pro) and totally enjoying every minute it.

The specific issue is CDPR promised X and delivered X - 20. Objectively speaking, cyberpunk is a mediocre linear FPS with some light RPG elements. Your life path basically doesn't matter. You basically have little control over the story. The AI is worse than a game from 2005. The game otherwise is incredibly buggy. You are welcome to enjoy it, but most people did not.

Objectively speaking, you're being subjective. Most people actually did enjoy it (SteamDB rating: 77.65%)[1]. Also, a month after release, Cyberpunk 2077 is still the most active single-player game on Steam[2].

[1] https://steamdb.info/app/1091500/info/

[2] https://steamcharts.com/top

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