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Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by jimmydorry »

mywittyname wrote: post #114
caconym_ wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I played ~80 hours and enjoyed it more than any RPG I've played since the original Mass Effect trilogy. It looked great too, at medium settings on my 4 year old gaming PC. It does seem like there were some legitimate issues on consoles, but I don't even know how seriously to take that given the insane disproportionality of the criticism that even the PC version has been getting. I saw somebody on Reddit seriously sug…

> I saw somebody on Reddit seriously suggesting that Steam should pull the game like Sony did, and it's like, what? I'm starting to think that some major players are capitalizing on the situation by bankrolling marketing and negative PR. CDPR stock has fallen dramatically and now they are facing punitive action from governments that on a level I've never heard of for a game studio. I'm not apologizing for them. They…

I would agree with you with the caveat of their PS4 (console in generaly really) release. It's one thing to release something buggy and promise to fix it later... but that console release was more akin to a bait-and-switch. It was not playable and any product released that like deserves regulatory action. You can't sell something for $120 that does not work out of the box and take a "we'll fix it later" attitude.

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Post by trzeci »

szczepano wrote: post #152

Now Morgan Stanley appeared that they already bought over 5% of CDP stocks and I'm waiting for hostile takeover and gamers to cry again - or maybe not cause they are already blinded by their nice beloved corporations - and say goodbye to another independent studio. Well we'll see. Everyone believed that CDP is big studio yet if you see on CP2077 credits most of graphics / QA work was outsourced, 3-4 people were worki…

Oh I didn't know about Morgan Stanley - that's interesting.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by [deleted] »

orliesaurus wrote: post #164

I played a little CP2077 and it's a terrible experience. Things like the Police AI, they just arrive out of nowhere - unlike in GTA series. Feels like CDP did not really think the game through and now, we're paying - us the consumers - for a product that is subpar to what we were told we'd be getting. I'm fed up. Back in the day I would pay $50 and get a game like Tomb Raider 3 - I would play for hours and hours and…

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Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by alkonaut »

Microsoft or Sony have a golden opportunity to come out as the champion of consumer protection here, by guaranteeing refunds if games don’t meet some quality standards. They could have independent quality reviewers (it works in almost every other industry) and make all contracts with publishers require the refund clauses. Perhaps ms/Sony could even sit on the money for a while after release (a few months?) to ensure companies aren’t defunct after a big release. If the game is a dud, the money is refunded.

Even if publishers fix critical issues, the stores could have a system of fines for games that aren’t good enough initially. If I buy a $60 game and it’s not acceptably playable until after the first 2 weeks - that’s a 50% refund and I also keep the game.

No publisher should get away with pushing a half finished buggy game a few weeks to soon just because the holidays are close. Basically there should be financial incentives in the console stores that always makes it less expensive to slip the release and fix the bugs. L

I’d buy the console that did this.

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Post by duhi88 »

lumost wrote: post #84
chundicus wrote: post #3

I hope this will encourage big studios to stop releasing broken games, but I doubt it will. The incentives are just so broken due to ease of patching, a need/desire for cash after a drawn out dev process, and a general disrespect for their customers. I think releasing a "broken" game in the form of "early access" from smaller studios can be good in terms of iterative and community development, but also that can be ab…

I wonder how much of this is broken QA throughout the industry. I burned ~60 hours in cyberpunk on a ps4 pro, the content of the game was fun - but the bugs were pretty dumb. Many of the worst bugs originated in story pathways that would only be triggered if various conditions had occurred (which undoubtedly changed during development). From a testing perspective It seems like it would require an impossible amount of…

From what I understand, they also promised a bunch of features that were never implemented. Maybe they're still to come, but it sounds like they are months away from fixing all the bugs, let alone implementing better AI and other things players complained about.

I bet it would have been met with less backlash if they delayed only the PS4/Xbox S versions. Players must expect some Day 0 bugs from games this large.

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

szczepano wrote: post #152

Now Morgan Stanley appeared that they already bought over 5% of CDP stocks and I'm waiting for hostile takeover and gamers to cry again - or maybe not cause they are already blinded by their nice beloved corporations - and say goodbye to another independent studio. Well we'll see. Everyone believed that CDP is big studio yet if you see on CP2077 credits most of graphics / QA work was outsourced, 3-4 people were worki…

CDPR also owns GOG, the only major PC storefront where everything is DRM Free, at least for single-player. You can download installers from your web browser and use them without any internet connection at all, or any "client" to speak of. And GOG has been getting more and more AAA titles—Prey, Quantum Break, and Horizon Zero Dawn are all available right now!

They also have all of the Batman Arkham games! Can you imagine if Warner Brothers released DRM-Free versions of the Batman movies? That would be practically unprecedented, and yet it's relatively common for video games, largely because GoG has been pushing for it.

It would really suck if GOG got caught up in the Cyberpunk fiasco.

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Post by huehehue »

incrudible wrote: post #154
Sodman wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's fair to blame this on gamers. With all of the hyperbole over various games being "broken", most people that are hyped about a specific game are just going to buy it and see for themselves. Unless it's literally unplayable (as may actually have been the case here), most people won't refund it. This has been going on for years and years, it's just getting worse over time. It's always some variant of…

I disagree that this is getting worse. Every game of this magnitude of complexity has shipped broken, even way back in the nineties. The Elder Scrolls series in particular comes to mind. Back then, you'd get patches from print media. The games that didn't ship broken simply weren't that complex. Console games never were that complex. PC gamers gamers accepted this in order to be able to (sort of) play through an expe…

From a very, very casual gamer's perspective, how did expectations get so high? Consumers are demanding more, companies are promising more, developers are worked to the bone and everyone still ends up unhappy.

Does pricing, pre-orders, or online play have anything to do with this? It feels weird that a sports game can change a few names and ship a $60 title, but a company like CDPR goes through absolute hell and still ships a dud -- what's the incentive for that?

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Post by ryanklee »

szczepano wrote: post #152

Now Morgan Stanley appeared that they already bought over 5% of CDP stocks and I'm waiting for hostile takeover and gamers to cry again - or maybe not cause they are already blinded by their nice beloved corporations - and say goodbye to another independent studio. Well we'll see. Everyone believed that CDP is big studio yet if you see on CP2077 credits most of graphics / QA work was outsourced, 3-4 people were worki…

Really sounds like your being a bit of an apologist. The game is such a mess, both in terms of bugs and the mismanagement of perception. CDPR should have never released the game if they had consumer's interests in mind. Another year or so and the game might have been ready.

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Post by BoorishBears »

ekianjo wrote: post #58
BoorishBears wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The writing and depth were way too lacking for me. I can deal with bugs, but the lack of depth constantly breaks immersion, and some of the writing is just really cringeworthy

> e writing is just really cringeworthy Which games writing is not cringeworthy please?

Sleeping Dogs, wonderful writing even if the plot wasn't philosophically deep or anything

Cringeworthy isn't saying "I can use this dialog and real life and no one will cringe", it's a video game, it's not meant to be quoted without reference.

But many of the lines from 2077, even in their context, are just bad.

I mean, I hope one day soon "Ghost Off!" enters our lexicon, but for 2021 it's just bad...

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Post by tester756 »

alkonaut wrote: post #174

Microsoft or Sony have a golden opportunity to come out as the champion of consumer protection here, by guaranteeing refunds if games don’t meet some quality standards. They could have independent quality reviewers (it works in almost every other industry) and make all contracts with publishers require the refund clauses. Perhaps ms/Sony could even sit on the money for a while after release (a few months?) to ensure…

didnt Sony do that?
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