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Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by DenverCode »

szczepano wrote: post #185
ryanklee wrote: post #178

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Really sounds like your being a bit of an apologist. The game is such a mess, both in terms of bugs and the mismanagement of perception. CDPR should have never released the game if they had consumer's interests in mind. Another year or so and the game might have been ready.

I'm saying you can skip it and not buy it and if you bought it you can refund it, it's not a shame to not like something. We're not robots, we're people and each of us have different demands. Unless you're one of those junkies who want to play it now despite you don't like it. Nobody forces you to not wait a year. Fortunately we're not living in totalitarian society yet.

I agree with what you are saying in your original comment, to a point.

For consoles such the PS4, the game wasn’t just glitchy, it was unplayable. You couldn’t complete the main storyline if you so desired.

I also agree with you that there were insane expectations - however Vice City had a better AI than this and it was self damage - but they released a game for current gen consoles, charged people for it, and it turned out the game was unplayable. That is a big issue.

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Post by bendoerr »

gabereiser wrote: post #39
bendoerr wrote: post #30

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Do you have an example of a bug that prevents quest completion? I've been lucky enough to not run into a single one during my 100+ hours so far and I've been trying to do every quest. I worry that these things keep getting said without people actually experiencing them. I have several friends playing on PS4 without the reported crashes. Not saying you haven't, I just don't have any direct knowledge of the issues that…

Here’s one right off the top of Google search: https://forums.cdprojektred.com/index.php?threads/game-break...

Ah, that Disasterpiece one sounds unfortunate. As both a QA tester and quest scripter I can imagine how that cases was potentially missed though.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by bendoerr »

gabereiser wrote: post #39
bendoerr wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have an example of a bug that prevents quest completion? I've been lucky enough to not run into a single one during my 100+ hours so far and I've been trying to do every quest. I worry that these things keep getting said without people actually experiencing them. I have several friends playing on PS4 without the reported crashes. Not saying you haven't, I just don't have any direct knowledge of the issues that…

Here’s one right off the top of Google search: https://forums.cdprojektred.com/index.php?threads/game-break...

Is that one you've experienced gabereiser?

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by ShamelessC »

FridgeSeal wrote: post #190
munk-a wrote: post #147

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I think CDPR made a lot of serious marketing mistakes but hype building is largely organic - rando game reviewers end up being a large portion of the momentum behind hype trains.

The cyberpunk game subreddit was its own worst enemy: people were winding themselves up with hype that was never ever going to be even remotely filled, people speculating and dreaming about features and stuff that was patently never going to happen, etc.

I could honestly never understand this. There's been massive hype over this game for like a full year before release. But we didn't even know what the gameplay was even like until like a month prior to release because they had shown basically nothing of it aside from a few videos of V looking into mirrors and what not.

People should have learned this lesson after No Man's Sky. If people are merely conjecturing about possible gameplay and features that they don't even know will be in the game, they're going to be dissatisfied with the game.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by smileybarry »

szczepano wrote: post #152

Now Morgan Stanley appeared that they already bought over 5% of CDP stocks and I'm waiting for hostile takeover and gamers to cry again - or maybe not cause they are already blinded by their nice beloved corporations - and say goodbye to another independent studio. Well we'll see. Everyone believed that CDP is big studio yet if you see on CP2077 credits most of graphics / QA work was outsourced, 3-4 people were worki…

I don't know how much of that outsourcing is true outsourcing. CDPR has around 800 employees total and they've said they have 350[1]-450[2] people working on the game (estimated to be 500 in Oct 2019[3]). Much of that outsourcing might be CDPR hiring artists as contractors as part of the AAA industry's underpaying hire-fire cycle of development.

[1]: 350 in July 2018: https://wccftech.com/cyberpunk-2077-development/

[2]: 450 in June 2019: https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/17/cyberpunk-2077-preview-and-in...

[3]: 500 in October 2019: https://www.ausgamers.com/features/read/3621721

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by mancerayder »

steinuil wrote: post #140
mdoms wrote: post #133

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> Then every week or two you get a patch. Correct me if I'm wrong but other than the day-1 patch hasn't there been only a single (quite minor) patch for this game so far?

At least on PC, there have been a few minor patches that fixed some of the most pressing issues like broken quest lines or the save file becoming corrupted if it surpassed 8mb (which apparently could happen very easily if you played a lot on the same save). The last was released 19 days ago.

I see hotfix 1.05 on Dec 21 and hotfix 1.06 on Dec 23, which is the most recent for me.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by ShamelessC »

bendoerr wrote: post #30
gabereiser wrote: post #10

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At its core it’s a decent game. The issue is with so many bugs (many of which preventing a player from finishing a story quest) it’s hard to focus on the game when your copy keeps crashing, glitching, frustrating you.

Do you have an example of a bug that prevents quest completion? I've been lucky enough to not run into a single one during my 100+ hours so far and I've been trying to do every quest. I worry that these things keep getting said without people actually experiencing them. I have several friends playing on PS4 without the reported crashes. Not saying you haven't, I just don't have any direct knowledge of the issues that…

Games like this tend to have bugs that I can't understand. I recently played through an identical mission a friend of mine was having problems completing. In his game, on a different PC, the game crashes every time he initiated the quest. In mine, it worked without a hitch.

There's so many differences between our savefiles and our system configurations that the bug could be a combinatorial explosion of things without access to source code.

This is super common in videogames. When some significant amount of people are experiencing bugs with a game and you're not, you should defer to the judgement of the ones who are having problems.

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Post by nmfisher »

ethbr0 wrote: post #88
Sodman wrote: post #43

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I don't think it's fair to blame this on gamers. With all of the hyperbole over various games being "broken", most people that are hyped about a specific game are just going to buy it and see for themselves. Unless it's literally unplayable (as may actually have been the case here), most people won't refund it. This has been going on for years and years, it's just getting worse over time. It's always some variant of…

> Management: So we ship as planned, and fix the bugs in a patch. What's curious, and I assume therefore legally-reasoned, is the consistent lack of preparation for blow-back by companies. Some part of CD Projekt Red knew the game was broken on older consoles. It feels like the only real solution to this is to have legal QA documents, signed off on by QA (as factual) and executive leadership (as read and understood).…

Are you honestly suggesting people go to jail for broken videogames?

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Post by tstrimple »

chundicus wrote: post #186
tstrimple wrote: post #118

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Somehow I doubt Polish law is going to have much impact on the larger game industry.

Agreed. By "this" I actually (confusingly) was more so referring to the general negative feedback Cyberpunk has been receiving.

"Don't preorder games" is the new "year of the Linux desktop". I've heard it over and over but have seen no evidence that it's any closer to being a reality.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by ShamelessC »

ojnabieoot wrote: post #55
warpech wrote: post #2

It seems that everybody seems to hate this game, or rather unfinishedness of it. Meanwhile, I am playing it since 2 weeks on PS4 (not Pro) and totally enjoying every minute it.

IMO the real issue is less that it’s unfinished and more that the product at its best doesn’t seem to live up to its lofty expectations (disclaimer: have not played it and don’t intend to until it goes on sale, just watched others and read a good number of reviews). From what I understand it’s a fairly anodyne action-RPG, with routine quests, an underwhelming plot, and not too many interesting choices for character d…

> and as an open world city it’s a shallow clone of a GTA game

I have played about 200 hours of the game on Ultra with Ray Tracing and this is the only point I disagree on. The graphics and beautiful design of the city is _the_ major accomplishment of this game. It's significantly more dense in terms of graphical fidelity and polygon count. I found myself often just ignoring the actual gameplay and parkouring around the beautiful city.

I can't speak to the ps4 version really, but I've seen screenshots and as far as I can tell they somehow made it look like a PS3 game. I don't think I could make it look that bad on PC even if I turned everything to low.

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