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Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by Grimm1 »

the_cat_kittles wrote: post #42

im saying this because it seems like such an obvious point but i havent seen it here- why are people who want the government to be replaced by the "free market" allowed to be upset that private companies are silencing them? what is the rationale for squaring this circle

Hi I'm a free market proponent, I'm totally fine with what's going on here.

Edit: My only thought is if people feel these companies are viewed as too critical to be self moderating than maybe these do need anti monopoly action to foster competition in the area. I absolutely do NOT agree with giving them any special statuses which would do the exact opposite of fostering competition.

Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by crooked-v »

brobdingnagians wrote: post #84
crooked-v wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They want the government to replaced by the free market for other people . For them, it's government benefits all the way. The political scientist and author Frank Wilhoit talked about it in his works: > Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: there must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

Errrhm, all the "protected classes" tend to come from the left wing ideologies. Sure, the right isn't what it used to be with Jeffersonian liberalism and free speech, but that quote could easily be interpreted to be about modern left by simply replacing "Conservatism" with "Liberalism'.

'The right' as a term literally comes from supporters of the nobility and the king, the ultimate representation of someone who is protected but not bound by the law.

Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by millstone »

the_cat_kittles wrote: post #42

im saying this because it seems like such an obvious point but i havent seen it here- why are people who want the government to be replaced by the "free market" allowed to be upset that private companies are silencing them? what is the rationale for squaring this circle

Because Republicans really have moved to the center on economic issues. The ideological "movement" strain of conservatism no longer has much sway.

You no longer hear Republicans talk about Medicare or Social Security privatization, Obamacare repeal, Dodd-Frank repeal, etc because they've moderated on the free market idealism.

Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by reaperducer »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #35
0xdde wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Among other things, you're omitting that they beat a police officer to death. I would also be surprised if the only people who felt disturbed by this whole event were "some politicians".

Who was the police officer, and what weapon was used? The only report of an officer down was erroneously attributed to someone beating him with a fire extinguisher. The latest information is that there was no fire extinguisher, but instead he suffered some kind of delayed reaction to a gas canister (fired by the police).

The latest information is that there was no fire extinguisher

Do you have a link to a reputable source for this? The ones I read still include the fire extinguisher.

Also, if you think cops weren't attacked, think again: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/11/us/capitol-mob-violence-p...

Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by ceejayoz »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #56
nostromo wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In most cases you'd be shadow-banned. (The post looks fine to you, but is invisible to everyone else.) Or, they just put their thumbs on the scale and make sure your post isn't shown to anyone (or very few people) rather than your typical audience.

Okay. A non-friend was able to view it a few seconds ago, so it's definitely not totally invisible. But I only have about 600 friends (haha) so I guess they don't care about small fry. If they have 1.73 billion daily users, that's a lot of data to scan. I'm guessing they'll only go after the big fish.

Every post gets scanned. They detect things like blacklisted links in real-time.

Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by ABeeSea »

nostromo wrote: post #63
the_cat_kittles wrote: post #42

im saying this because it seems like such an obvious point but i havent seen it here- why are people who want the government to be replaced by the "free market" allowed to be upset that private companies are silencing them? what is the rationale for squaring this circle

The opposite of a contradiction is another contradiction. Why are people that believe in regulation of the world's largest corporations suddenly laissez-faire libertarians? If you have opposed the Citizen's United ruling for a decade, don't suddenly act like you care about a corporation's civil liberties, including freedom of association and freedom of expression. The answer is obvious: both sides want power more tha…

I don’t see a contradiction here. The point of classical liberalism is well-regulated capitalism. Economic freedom combined with a rule of law to protect the citizenry. You can want to regulate Twitter and believe they have the freedom to kick whoever they want off their platform without a contradiction.

Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by l9k »

swiley wrote: post #51
l9k wrote: post #32

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"Stop The Steal" is nowadays very specifically referring to the conspiracy theories surrounding the US November 2020 presidential election that was started by Trump supporters. Maybe in a few years (months if you're optimist), it will be forgotten (because of these kinds of measure?) and the phrase will be allowed again.

This kind of behavior by facebook is only going to radicalize people and make them extremely suspicious of anyone that disagrees with them. Do you think someone prone to conspiracy theories is going to start listening to people who are actively campaigning for the destruction/deletion of information. We need consensus and half of consensus means listening.

For more than a decade, we have seen how social networks let conspiracies and extremist views thrive and how they were amplified.

There is ample evidence that "listening" does not tame or squash these positions on these platforms.

Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by kimmeld »

meowkit wrote: post #88
imgabe wrote: post #62

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People are allowed to have any opinions they want, even ones that seem contradictory to you. It's not a free market when a handful of companies can collude to shut out a competitor as they've done to Parler.

Parler is not a competitor to Amazon. They were a customer.

They were a liability not a customer.

Re: Facebook Says It Is Removing All Content Mentioning 'Stop the Steal'

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Post by mkr-hn »

x3iv130f wrote: post #48
mkr-hn wrote: post #8

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Storming is just a term for what they did. It doesn't come from any particular movement.

There are some Neo-Nazi associations with the word Storm. In Nazi Germany Sturmabteilung or "Storm Division" was the paramilitary division of the Nazi party until it was replaced by the SS on the Night of Long Knives. Some Neo-Nazis have kept up the language. Stormfront is a popular Neo-Nazi website. The Daily Stormer is another. I don't follow Neo-Nazism but I am sure there are others. So calling the riot a "Stormin…

I suppose that takes "blitz" out of consideration.

I see your point, though.

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