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Intruder at the top of the 20 meter amateur band?

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Re: Intruder at the top of the 20 meter amateur band?

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For HFT purposes, it's hard to hide an intercontinental range HF antenna, particularly a directional one. I know at least 3 locations not far from the illinois CME datacenter, out in some fields, with huge yagi-uda antennas aimed at London and tokyo.

What altitude would you have to be at to have line of site to Tokyo and London from Chicago? They're probably aimed somewhere above and in between https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skywave

You will not usually have nor do you need line of sight for HF radio. The radio waves are reflected by the ionosphere at various angles and heights, allowing the signal to be received at many different distances at once. Radio waves at the correct frequency hit the ionosphere like stones skipping along the surface of water.

Re: Intruder at the top of the 20 meter amateur band?

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Chicago to London one way is around 35ms over fibre but that could be down to 21ms over the air like this. That signal is only about 10-15khz wide[1] from that diagram. That’s not a whole lot of data transfer ability, measured in the low kbps range rather than mbps. Very low kbps when you add in error correction. We are moving out of / have left the solar minimum so the MUF is usually well above the 20 metre band eac…

One does not need a lot of bandwidth to trade successfully. In fact, a limited number of signals agreed upon ahead of time is enough. E.g. signal “A” could mean “buy 10 contracts”, signal “B” - “sell 100 contracts”, etc. And you can of course wrap 256 such signals into one byte. So transmitting a single byte at an opportune time let’s you control your trading on the other continent in a quite precise fashion. If you…

All you really need to do is to beat the trade you just saw enter the system so you can buy the trade out from under them and mark it up while their bits are still stuck in glass. You know, "provide liquidity".

Re: Intruder at the top of the 20 meter amateur band?

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There's an update at the bottom: - Delmarva Broadband is authorized 14.35-14.99 MHz at 186 kW. Contact is a law office in DC. See https://apps.fcc.gov/els/GetAtt.htm - … and M-Wave is authorized the 14-14.99 MHz at 16 kW. See https://apps.fcc.gov/els/GetAtt.htm

Here's the site in Aurora, Illinois. Note that their permit expires next month.

https://goo.gl/maps/boqMG4aCrShatHtq8

Re: Intruder at the top of the 20 meter amateur band?

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I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to see the whole HFT industry be deleted. What a waste of human intellect.

I’ve spent some time working in electronic trading, and I agree with you. Not only is the compensation very comfortable, but it’s the most interesting work I’ve ever done. That’s a tough combination to resist. As a result, it attracts people who should be out there curing cancer, developing new technologies, researching fundamental sciences, and so forth. It’s something everyone around me has acknowledged at one poin…

This is more complicated than it seems. You are comparing a job (HFT) with a pursuit (science). The actual comparison is HFT with academia (the job part). Academia is a terrible job and getting worse over time. Academics have been talking about how the job is bad and getting worse for 100 years. There is a long list of problems. Working in science is also an exercise of joining a community where your peers seem willing to put up with the terrible working conditions, almost to the point of masochism or martyrdom.

The other issue is that intelligent people tend to feel entitled to success, particularly if they succeed on traditional measures which rank them according to others. This makes them less likely to enter very difficult and uncertain fields when there are other options. Science is often inhumane in a sense, you can waste your life on the wrong idea, certainly many people have. You can also be right, but only proven so after you die.

Science also has developed a large swarm capacity, which reduces the ability of an individual to succeed and make an impact. The best example is deep learning... the explosion in deep learning research output is frankly astonishing. In real terms, a lot of researchers outside the field managed to drop whatever they were doing at the time and switch to deep learning research. Along with the excellent tooling, accessible hardware and data and low barrier to publication, there is literally a flood of papers. It is now very difficult to get noticed, and much harder to make any progress. This has happened in the space of one PhD duration. It is reasonable to assume this will keep happening as new fields open up. I presume it is because there are large numbers of people waiting for the next big thing, underemployed or underutilised in their own current work. In this scheme, research success comes to either those that found a field (even more difficult and unlikely) or have the best resources (often corporate research these days). Your talent, intelligence etc all become secondary. You can say that this is just 'rapid progress' and good for humanity. Maybe. There is also a lot of low quality work. But in the end one is an individual, not humanity, and you need to act on that basis.

All these factors conspire to send smart people away from science, and it is hard to blame them.

Re: Intruder at the top of the 20 meter amateur band?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What altitude would you have to be at to have line of site to Tokyo and London from Chicago? They're probably aimed somewhere above and in between https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skywave

You'd need to be in orbit. Edit: actually it might not be possible at all from a single point anywhere in the universe.

I just stared at a globe, and it’s possible, but not from a geostationary orbit.

Think about a hemisphere projected onto a 2d circle - you can see all points on the surface of the hemisphere on the projection.

Logically it must be possible to select a hemisphere, such that any two random points on a sphere lie on that hemisphere, and would thus be visible in the projection.

The only edge cases is two points that are diametrically opposite - i.e north and south pole, which would only both be visible at infinite distance.

Points nearly diametrically opposed would only be visible from extreme distance.

This doesn’t take into account inconvenient mountains, but they can easily be moved.

Re: Intruder at the top of the 20 meter amateur band?

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I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to see the whole HFT industry be deleted. What a waste of human intellect.

I’ve spent some time working in electronic trading, and I agree with you. Not only is the compensation very comfortable, but it’s the most interesting work I’ve ever done. That’s a tough combination to resist. As a result, it attracts people who should be out there curing cancer, developing new technologies, researching fundamental sciences, and so forth. It’s something everyone around me has acknowledged at one poin…

Once you have enough liquidity that the markets function (i.e. the stuff of actual value to people doesn't get jammed up) it seem the marginal utility of adding liquidity is near zero.

Have I missed something?

Re: Intruder at the top of the 20 meter amateur band?

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There's an update at the bottom: - Delmarva Broadband is authorized 14.35-14.99 MHz at 186 kW. Contact is a law office in DC. See https://apps.fcc.gov/els/GetAtt.htm - … and M-Wave is authorized the 14-14.99 MHz at 16 kW. See https://apps.fcc.gov/els/GetAtt.htm

Kilowatts? wtf

So much for that hobby.

Where were those links supposed to go anyhow?

Re: Intruder at the top of the 20 meter amateur band?

#69
Morality and outrage aside, we know where they are, and the format they are using, and they are in a fixed site. The real question is:

How can we:

1> receive and regenerate the source bit stream

2> use that to exactly recreate the transmitted signal

3> synchronized with that signal, and

4> then use it to cancel out the interference?

Re: Intruder at the top of the 20 meter amateur band?

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The inexact coordinates in the image lead to the front yard of some farm. Now I can't stop thinking of Kash Hill's Maxmind story ref: https://www.google.com/maps/place/41°36'00.0"N+88°36'00.0"W/ ref: https://splinternews.com/how-an-internet-mapping-glitch-turn...

Good HF antennas are large. Wouldn't at all be surprised to find them on some farm a few miles out of town.
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