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Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by rcoveson »

blhack wrote: post #95
warpech wrote: post #2

It seems that everybody seems to hate this game, or rather unfinishedness of it. Meanwhile, I am playing it since 2 weeks on PS4 (not Pro) and totally enjoying every minute it.

Yeah I'm with you on this. I installed it to see what all of the fuss was about and have been loving it. I haven't run into a single glitch or problem of any kind.

To restate: You "haven't run into a single glitch or problem of any kind." Emphasis mine.

Then you are either not past the railroad stages of the very early game, or you have not been paying attention. Or both.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by trzeci »

If UOKiK got some reports from customers that something is potentially working against customers, then an investigation is started. This is not an exceptional case of CDPR that's under radar. It happens tons of times: Misleading labels, incorrect ingredients on some food, something is overpriced etc. And this is wonderful, as it is one of organization that can actually force a positive change.

But, 10% is a maximum penalty posted. For the instance [1] shows that in 2018 maximum penalty was 931k PLN (~300k $). Another case [2] shows that penalty can be easily deceased if subject is cooperating (-50%) and further more decreased if subject takes penalty without court.

At the moment CDPR has done something extraordinary that is: extended refund policy for the title. Forcing that also on PlayStation (and taking ricochet by pulling title from the store). Providing a few hot fixes for very very fresh product and stating future work in next couple of months.

I do understand that players on base PS4 and XBOX are mad. And in my opinion UOKiK can help taking their side. But with such a complicated case, where lots of players do play and enjoy the game (even on these consoles). The 10% penalty is simply impossible. Also I don't know if it's is at all, as there is the refund policy in place.

[1] - https://www.uokik.gov.pl/download.php?plik=24030

[2] - https://www.wiadomoscihandlowe.pl/artykul/uokik-pol-miliona-...

TL;DR; UOKiK does that as requested and expected from them, but is very unlikely that 10% penalty will take place.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by puranjay »

enahs-sf wrote: post #19
Pfhreak wrote: post #14

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The problem isn't releasing a broken game. There's a huge challenge in making and releasing games and meeting a specific quality bar. That said, knowing you have a broken game and saying it's great is extremely avoidable and totally should stop. Tell me the game is a mess and let me play with it.

Having played Cyberpunk on a PS4 and then a PS5, It is nowhere near what you'd expect from a AAA title in terms of quality. Had to stop playing it because it's not worth it to ruin the experience. I can only imagine what the folks at Rockstar are thinking about this launch and what they can take away from it.

Rockstar is smart in that it they don't hype up their games at all. You won't even know GTA6 is going to be released until the product is 6 months from finishing.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by wing-_-nuts »

Where CDPR really screwed up is not targeting last gen consoles as the primary development target. PC gamer folks are going to have to put down their pitchforks for a second, and bear with me.

From the business perspective if you want to make money you must target the lowest, most common, denominator. Game studios that do cross platform launches do the vast majority of their sales on console. It's not even close. Even with TW3, 70% of their sales were on console, and that was considered low by industry standards.

What CDPR has done here by shipping a broken game on last gen is to light a pallet of $100 bills on fire. It's possible they don't survive this as a studio, but it could very well be deserved.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by eganist »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #144

Where CDPR really screwed up is not targeting last gen consoles as the primary development target. PC gamer folks are going to have to put down their pitchforks for a second, and bear with me. From the business perspective if you want to make money you must target the lowest, most common, denominator. Game studios that do cross platform launches do the vast majority of their sales on console. It's not even close. Eve…

> Where CDPR really screwed up is

scope creep.

That's the only answer. There are tons of other failures, but scope creep was the biggest.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by theshrike79 »

csours wrote: post #106
tiborsaas wrote: post #97

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Buy you don't release half cut movies, unfinished novels, unmastered songs. Technically you can, but not at full price after years of hype. I think what happened here is that investors pushed the game to be out since it was xmas and the two console platforms were real hungry for a big title.

Cats (2019) would like to have a word.

Dolittle (2020) would like to get in line.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by munk-a »

okprod wrote: post #130
nightski wrote: post #33

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The thing is CD Project Red has released it's games in a really rough state before. All of the Witcher games were brutal on release. But every time they have not only released thousands of bug fixes/improvements for free, but also delivered large dlc/content updates. The difference with CP2077 I believe is that it was just the highest profile launch they have ever had by a wide margin. They are too big now. I don't r…

They also dragged out the release for a long time, all while continuing to build hype, like Anthem.

I think CDPR made a lot of serious marketing mistakes but hype building is largely organic - rando game reviewers end up being a large portion of the momentum behind hype trains.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by kickopotomus »

mywittyname wrote: post #114
caconym_ wrote: post #18

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I played ~80 hours and enjoyed it more than any RPG I've played since the original Mass Effect trilogy. It looked great too, at medium settings on my 4 year old gaming PC. It does seem like there were some legitimate issues on consoles, but I don't even know how seriously to take that given the insane disproportionality of the criticism that even the PC version has been getting. I saw somebody on Reddit seriously sug…

> I saw somebody on Reddit seriously suggesting that Steam should pull the game like Sony did, and it's like, what? I'm starting to think that some major players are capitalizing on the situation by bankrolling marketing and negative PR. CDPR stock has fallen dramatically and now they are facing punitive action from governments that on a level I've never heard of for a game studio. I'm not apologizing for them. They…

> But I'm seeing a bunch of articles about how the number of players one steam has fallen by X%

I am part of this group. I think the real reason for the drop off is just that their is not really that much to do in the game. You can 100% the game in 60-80 hours. If you are just trying to finish the main quest lines you can probably do that in about half the time or less if you are really beelining through it. The combination of the pandemic plus holiday shutdowns has resulted in a lot of people finishing the game and moving on.

Additionally, the sentiment that I have been seeing and agree with is that the game currently does not have any good endgame content. Once you play through the story and do most of the side quests, there is not a whole lot left to discover. The artwork is beautiful but aimlessly exploring has not been very enjoyable since NPC AI ranges from shallow to non-existent (e.g. completely broken police system, pot-shot or rush enemies, random cowering citizens, etc.). I am sure that CDPR has some DLC in the pipeline to change that but I don't plan to pick up the game again until a DLC release.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by egypturnash »

ekianjo wrote: post #58
BoorishBears wrote: post #23

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The writing and depth were way too lacking for me. I can deal with bugs, but the lack of depth constantly breaks immersion, and some of the writing is just really cringeworthy

> e writing is just really cringeworthy Which games writing is not cringeworthy please?

Supergiant’s Hades is a delight in this respect.

I may be biased as I picked it up after some time mindlessly grinding through Persona 5, which has an English translation that is perfectly functional but never amazing.

Re: CD Projekt Red is under investigation

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Post by munk-a »

puranjay wrote: post #143
enahs-sf wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having played Cyberpunk on a PS4 and then a PS5, It is nowhere near what you'd expect from a AAA title in terms of quality. Had to stop playing it because it's not worth it to ruin the experience. I can only imagine what the folks at Rockstar are thinking about this launch and what they can take away from it.

Rockstar is smart in that it they don't hype up their games at all. You won't even know GTA6 is going to be released until the product is 6 months from finishing.

I think this is the crux of the issue - Rockstar seems to be pretty heavy handed in keeping their marketing department in check, it's a thing more developers and publishers need to learn. Early and inaccurate marketing is a liability - quantity does not equal quality and marketing departments generally feel like they're judged based on quantity (and often escape issues with over-hyping in favor of shifting blame onto developers).
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