This is all done so political trolls can spam freely before elections. Imagine this site -> trolls come and promote a certain party (guess which) - and mods cannot delete it. It doesnt matter that this site is about hackernews, or some other website is about cat pictures -> you still cannot delete the political spam.
That kind of "law" is idiotic at its core, you'd move it to archive section under a layer of 10 links to access it as compressed zip with aggregate of 10k other comments created around that time?
Poland Justice Minister announces online freedom of speech bill
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#192> Under its provisions, social media services will not be allowed to remove content or block accounts if the content on them does not break Polish law. This is kind of insane. So if I offer a free website- a private company operating as I like- I would be forbidden from removing content from my own website that I don't like because the person who wrote it- again, not a paying customer- wants it to be there. Not only…
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#193This does not compel social media to follow Polish law throughout the world. It only means that social media should be able to filter content per country as they should anyway because what's legal and what's illegal varies from country to country. An example, which often pops up: Denying the Holocaust falls within free speech protected by the 1st Amendment in the US. On the other hand, it is a criminal offence in man…
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#194Article 256 of the Polish criminal code makes it illegal to incite hatred based on religion, race or nationality but not sexual orientation.
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#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
Out of curiosity, which facts do you mean? The law is stupid of course and an attempt to fight for their point of view(that is: xenophobic, racist and intolerant), but history is a subject rather widely discussed in Poland with all the sides being represented in media.
There are some who like to call Nazi death camps 'Polish death camps' because they were located in Nazi occupied Poland. This, of course, is frowned on by Poland. It is seen as a way of blaming Poland for Germany's crimes, while the people who do it play innocent and claim they are merely stating 'true facts' about the locations of the camps. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/"Polish_death_camp"_controvers...
You're also not allowed to refer to camps like Zgoda or Jaworzno - which were labour camps operated by poles on behalf of the communist regime - as 'Polish concentration camps'.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Polish_death_camp%22_contro...
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#196I'm usually don't have a strong opinion but in this case. Consider the following hypothetical: Suppose the Big Tech companies are far-right instead of left. Instead of banning racism and insurrection, they are banning people calling for higher taxes on the wealthy and UBI. Twitter censors posts by supporters and politicians like Bernie Sanders. In response, Sanders supporters create an alternate social network like a…
Wait, when did corporate capitalism become a left-wing position?
What you really mean is "supposed the Big Tech companies became far-right instead of centrist neoliberal capitalists".
> In this scenario people wouldn’t be saying “freedom of speech is freedom from compelled speech; you can say what you want but you just need to create your own platform / internet; etc.” T
Yeah, just projecting a story of how people would act in a counterfactual in order to base an argument on it is problematic because its obviously quite easy to just assert whatever behavior would best suit the conclusion you want to draw.
One could equally easily assume that left-wing opponents of the action you suggest would, instead of focussing on state regulation (presumably, if industry was that much more tilted against the left than it is now, through the influence of industrial money the government would be even more tilted against the left than it is now, which would make the government unhelpful in any case), the left would instead organize outside corporate communication channels (as it has in the past) for boycotts, demonstrations, and mobilization for both the interests that were being targeted and against the firms that were trying to block them. Of course, in that case, the argument you are trying to build on top of your story about how the left would behave falls apart.
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#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
This comment misrepresents the situation by failing to indicate that the 'Constitutional Crisis' started before the current Law and Justice government took power by the previous governments anti-constitutional actions of trying to appoint Constitutional Court judges ahead of the end of their terms. For a summary of events: [1] Imagine if Barack Obama / George Bush decided to go ahead and punt some SCOTUS members ahea…
So in keeping with the law at the time (well the law they passed), they elected 5 justices to replace up coming vacancies. Later it was ruled that 2 of those nominations were unconstitutional (I think because they were for justices who's terms expired after the new legislature was seated), but the newly elected Law and Justice government refused to seat any of them and elected their own slate of 5 justices. When the…
There is no doubt.
It doesn't matter that 'we don't like the jerks in charge' or that 'they've done bad stuff' - the fact is the crisis was obviously initiated before they came to power.
Much like pretty much everyone here hates Trump (I certainly do), but he was unfairly castigated in the press with the 'Mueller investigations' which de-facto absolved him of any Russian shenanigans. It doesn't matter that he lies about election results - he was not colluding with Russians.
If either side in in the US tried to pull what the previous Polish government did - it would set off major events, possibly conflict, worse than what we're seeing today for sure.
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#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let Poland run news.polishcombinator.com where they decide to not moderate anything not against Polish law then Are we going to have dang explain how any post he moderates violates Polish law? What about what he's moderating which isn't illegal in Poland?
Nobody seemed to care too much here about these issues when the gdpr was shoved into the faces of everybody.
To be clear I'm not too worried about this. It seems like unenforceable policy
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#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, this proposal taken alone might seem benign, but people are riled up about this because context matter: many of the pandemic restrictions are unlawful, because they are either introduced in decrees issued by prime minister instead of laws passed in parliament, or infringe on freedoms guaranteed in constitution without introducing state of emergency. As such, many courts are throwing out cases brought by police a…
I understand the change is unwelcome. For us an appeal is just a letter to the public attorney(?), which will either result in them dropping it, or a case, all of which you can do yourself.
I got a ticket, I'm sure I'm innocent:
- old way: police "organizes" the court appointment, I wait
- new way: I "organize" the court appointment, police waits
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#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nobody seemed to care too much here about these issues when the gdpr was shoved into the faces of everybody.
Lots of people were wary of the GDPR. But "don't track our population" is streets ahead of "don't moderate content" To be clear I'm not too worried about this. It seems like unenforceable policy