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Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by inawarminister »

aliakhtar wrote: post #227
jlos wrote: post #121

I think there are actually two issues here: the incidence of violence and use of a "Content Killswitch". By a content killswitch, I mean that concerted action by 3 companies to basicaly scrub the entire internet of source materia in 24-48 hours and leave only articles giving their spin on the events. I remember the same thing happened when that stupid "Plandemic" movie came out earlier last year. Even while I had no…

The fact that this has never happened before except when literal incitement of violence was being carried out (google for screenshots) and not being stopped, shows there's no reason to worry this will happen to you.

Did Plandemic have literal incitement of violence? That was what OP was talking about. I see a typical Anti-Vac propaganda movie, but the Wikipedia page and news articles didn't seem to mention any calls to violence...

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Post by thinkingemote »

aliakhtar wrote: post #227
jlos wrote: post #121

I think there are actually two issues here: the incidence of violence and use of a "Content Killswitch". By a content killswitch, I mean that concerted action by 3 companies to basicaly scrub the entire internet of source materia in 24-48 hours and leave only articles giving their spin on the events. I remember the same thing happened when that stupid "Plandemic" movie came out earlier last year. Even while I had no…

The fact that this has never happened before except when literal incitement of violence was being carried out (google for screenshots) and not being stopped, shows there's no reason to worry this will happen to you.

That is using the same flawed logic for implementing the Patriot Act. "Why worry? It's only an emergency thing and won't be used against others*

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Post by pindab0ter »

manfredo wrote: post #132
brayhite wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think the goal of banning these folks is to change the banned person’s mind. It’s to slow down the spread of the banned person’s rhetoric. To your suggestion that folks who witness the ban take place suspecting “there’s something afoot”, while that could be right, I’d bet that’s a much smaller number than the number of folks who would’ve otherwise seen the rhetoric and came around to agreeing with it, if not…

I agree that the goal is to curb the spread of such views, not so much to change the minds of those who already harbor them. But I still think it's having the opposite effect. The streisand effect is real and likely playing out here. Thanks to this ban, a lot of people are wondering if the claims of electoral fraud were actually disproven or if evidence of legitimate fraud was suppressed. The bans make it very easy t…

How does the ‘purging’ of a social media platform equate to purging evidence of fraud?

If there is evidence of fraud this may be shared but would not solely exist on a social media platform. Unless fraudeurs would openly discuss these matters, of course.

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Post by mcphage »

j8hn wrote: post #219
mcphage wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s what’s great about it—you don’t need a framework at all. You can look at your surroundings and decide what is most appropriate right now .

So when Veronica Beach talks about Antifa terrorizing parts of Seattle, are they fascists?

If they haven’t tried taking over the government yet, I’d say, wait.

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Post by 24gttghh »

FFRefresh wrote: post #199
24gttghh wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://medium.com/thoughts-economics-politics-sustainabilit... https://images.app.goo.gl/nCWYshqYeZcN94kf7 Tolerating the intolerant gives the intolerant the foothold they need to get enough legitimacy to seize power and destroy the society which was tolerant of them.

I understand your viewpoint, but I'm asking where you draw the line for who counts as the intolerant? If the risk is society's destruction as you say, then I'd imagine you'd be motivated to cast a pretty wide net for who counts as intolerant (who thus should be sanctioned and not given equal access to services until they fall in line). After all, anything can be justified to save our society from destruction, correct…

Come on. Anyone who supported the insurrection on Jan 6th should be expelled from Congress and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for supporting a rebellion against the US. The fact you make me spell that out that to dance around the issue is disturbing.

This is pretty straight forward. If you:

Support violence against other groups because they look different

Seek to restrict someone's rights/voting because of the above

Then you should not be tolerated in our society and you should be punished.

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Post by sleepysysadmin »

manfredo wrote: post #96

The way this forum was purged from the internet is making me uncomfortable. I never used Parler, and I really don't care about the fact that it's gone. But the way that a handful of private companies effectively decides who gets to reach an audience and who doesn't is deeply troubling. We're increasingly becoming a world where what is and isn't allowed in the public sphere is controlled by a handful of corporate lead…

>The way this forum was purged from the internet is making me uncomfortable.

Parler's app was pulled from apple, google, and their hosting at AWS got pulled. Under the 'reasoning' that people are violating rules on their platform.

That doesnt really make sense. Whereas if you look at it from a 'big tech censorship' point of view. That's what's happening. Very clear that's what's happening.

Even wikipedia has banned conservatives. For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

Could you show me where on that wiki page they show any of his scandals? Benghazi, the IRS scandal, the AP phone records scandal, Fast and Furious, Solyndra or the Hillary Clinton email server, Obamagate, etc?

Kind of interesting how Obama's wiki page doesnt list ANY of his scandals. Whereas trump's page was clearly not written by any republican.

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Post by finnthehuman »

IdontRememberIt wrote: post #159

As the owner of a company, I am more and more afraid to be dependant on Google, Apple, Amazon, etc. because everyday on HN there is a new example proving that they can destroy your business if you are not aligned with their view, their interest or someone in their evaluation team. I use electricity, water, phone, etc. and I have never been afraid to be cut off by these companies as long as I pay the bills and respect…

>PS: I am referring to none political cases (especially with app stores) that have been happening the last years.

It's just plain reliability to worry about your single points of failure. You can be the most unobjectionable, vanilla and milquetoast organization. It's still desirable to avoid the situation where a single irreplaceable vendor can bottleneck you.

I think there has been a bit of hesitation to acknowledge it when there's so little friction to getting on desirable platforms. The risk doesn't feel as real.

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Post by manfredo »

pindab0ter wrote: post #243
manfredo wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that the goal is to curb the spread of such views, not so much to change the minds of those who already harbor them. But I still think it's having the opposite effect. The streisand effect is real and likely playing out here. Thanks to this ban, a lot of people are wondering if the claims of electoral fraud were actually disproven or if evidence of legitimate fraud was suppressed. The bans make it very easy t…

How does the ‘purging’ of a social media platform equate to purging evidence of fraud? If there is evidence of fraud this may be shared but would not solely exist on a social media platform. Unless fraudeurs would openly discuss these matters, of course.

Dropping Parler is part of a broader trend of eliminating content claiming electoral fraud: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/07/youtube-says-it-will-suspend...

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Post by IdontRememberIt »

finnthehuman wrote: post #248
IdontRememberIt wrote: post #159

As the owner of a company, I am more and more afraid to be dependant on Google, Apple, Amazon, etc. because everyday on HN there is a new example proving that they can destroy your business if you are not aligned with their view, their interest or someone in their evaluation team. I use electricity, water, phone, etc. and I have never been afraid to be cut off by these companies as long as I pay the bills and respect…

>PS: I am referring to none political cases (especially with app stores) that have been happening the last years. It's just plain reliability to worry about your single points of failure. You can be the most unobjectionable, vanilla and milquetoast organization. It's still desirable to avoid the situation where a single irreplaceable vendor can bottleneck you. I think there has been a bit of hesitation to acknowledge…

The SPOF I find hardest to mitigate are payment and App stores. As soon as Visa or Mastercard or Apple or Google reject you. You are gone...
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