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GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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How about when you try to save a file, so you choose File Save As, change the directory, and then try to start typing the filename and it starts searching (recursively!) instead of letting you type your new filename? Even better (not), then it lands on the first matching search item and makes the filename that filename?

Wait, this is a GNOME thing and not a Linux thing? WTF? I've used GNOME for over a year now but this thread is seriously making me consider switching to something like KDE...

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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> Why was there a Windows monopoly? I think it’s a stretch to just blame it on OEM bundling. No, it’s legit because there isn’t anything else. I agree GNOME-3 is blocked toilet, but Windows 10 is also a blocked toilet. I have a file that I would like to open on my Windows 10 computer "passport.pdf", I hit the winkey and type "passport [enter]" to open the file. Windows launched a Bing search on Edge for the word "pas…

I am using a mix of Win7, Ubuntu, Win10 and old OSX on various computers.

To be honest, so far Win7 is winning, it is the OS that gives me the least headaches.

Win7 problems: occasionally something doesn't work because it is Win10 only and Wine can't emulate it. Also recently I had an issue trying to use hardware that was intended for Win98 but that is kind of expected.

Win10: randomly updates without permission, reboots itself, break stuff that I need working (for example one time its unexpected updates broke the software my company use to generate invoices, meaning Windows10 update managed to singlehandedly shut down my company income for a couple days until we reinstalled our bank invoice software on Win7), has telemetry, insists in re-enabling telemetry after we disabled it, has ads, has games without permission, insists that we use Cortana, but then complains Cortana is not available in my country, and the list goes on.

Ubuntu issues: the default interface is weird, there is no way to type file paths on filepickers, and this is quite maddening, it requires command line to do basic stuff too often, even native Ubuntu games might have bizarre issues with Fullscreen or random notification software hijacking the focus, and weirdly, it crashes more often than Win7, usually because of out of ram issues.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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624 comments further on HN, on top of a 1280 word essay about why GNOME has no thumbnails...

And unfortunately this will change nothing, because of the immense amount of protectionism and self righteousness of these idealistic projects.

I wish it was different, but with so many stakeholders it's really hard to reach a decision.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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post #377

The author unfairly attributes adequacy (or at least consistency) to the Microsoft desktop environment. Start Microsoft Windows, open up File Explorer, remove the ever-present 'Type' column (because if you're old school you'll have suffixes enabled), then go to Options and say 'Save this view format for ALL Explorer instances'. Within an hour you'll have a Type column back in some new Explorer window, to inform you t…

I don't think the author attributes universal consistency to Windows? They just say that this particular issue has been 'solved' by Windows since 1998. It's been raised as an issue in Gnome since 2004 and still hasn't been fixed. I agree with most of what they say, and I think the point is that we're uniquely bad at addressing these issues in the open-source world. We accept a degraded UX experience (which I think th…

In the sense the author was saying 'Gnome is a bit bad, but Microsoft does this much better, which is why it wins' I was intuiting that the author believes Microsoft does not have extremely frustrating, long-lived, bugs within their basic OS suite.

Cue contra-example.

I've used Gnome perhaps for a dozen hours in the past twenty years - none of those (the dozen hours, not the two decades) were especially pleasant, but not because of this missing feature enhancement. So perhaps I'm not well positioned to cast judgement there.

Anyway, any claim that an operating system is intuitive is subject to much discussion. I endorse the early 90's (perhaps predating even then) claim that the only intuitive interface is the nipple, beyond that the necessary interactions are learned.

And - hello again, yes - I'll weigh in on the somewhat plaintive 'if we want normal people to use free software' rejoinder with a marginally cynical observation. Normal people can understand how computers work, and adjust their expectations, behaviour, and workflows to suit - worst case they'll acquire the necessary skills to file bug reports or fix it themselves.

Average people, on the other hand, are less likely to be satisfied.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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post #488

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It was a crutch when windows 95 introduced it, and it is still a crutch today. I prefer when applications do not assume that it is available at all; if they do, they are broken. Applications, that force themselves on the user upon startup, then sit in the systray and are resisting the user that is trying to close them are outright black UI pattern.

LastPass is especially horrible at this. I have it configured _not_ to start with windows because I don't want it running in the background. Whenever I need to open it, I launch it, copy the password to the clipboard and paste it into whatever program, and click the X or hit alt-f4 to close it. Unfortunately, it does not close. It minimizes itself to the system tray, and gives me a helpful notification to let me know…

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Applications abuse the systray to force themselves on the user and that is a bad thing, that should not be supported or apologized for.

I'm not against apps running in background, just that monolithic implementation with systray is the wrong approach. Android has shown a good model: background service that cannot talk to UI, but can send notifications or communicate with separate UI app. With this model, user has control over what is running in background or what started on login time by system (not app-specific!)-provided tools, like systemd user units under Linux or LaunchAgents under macOS. When the user wants something off, it will be turned off in one place, with no ors or buts or other black patterns that prevent user turning the application off.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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>trying to hijack the project, and getting stalled half-way because of popular pushback Again, please do not spread these unfounded conspiracy theories. I can explain more what I mean by this, but it seems unlikely you are willing to hear what I have to say. I can tell you if you're trying to convince me to be hostile towards any specific developers for any specific project, I will have to decline to get involved wit…

It's not a conspiracy theory. GNOME 2 was a project of 100+ developers. TOPAZ was a half-baked tablet UI tech demo from a dozen Red Hat employed devs, later dropping to 7-9 regularly active ones. Tell me what is more to explain about this?

GNOME 2 was forked as MATE, but there is no funding for 100+ developers working on it.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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post #326

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I tried a logitech mouse with that feature, mx anywhere 2s, but you lose the mousewheel middle-click as the wheel-mode switch is a physical switch and cannot be remapped. Ended up taking it back for a refund and getting a g703 instead.

Interesting. The G502 has the middle-click on the scroll wheel and the wheel-mode is a separate one. Presumably like in your G703.

I don't think I have a wheel-mode option on my G703. I have a small button above the wheel which changes the pointer speed, but nothing I can see that puts the wheel into an accelerated more.

Honestly if the "2s Anywhere" had had the setup you described I would have kept it. Logitech tried to explain that middle slick was still there, on the button further back towards the palm rest, but it felt so unnatural and inconvenient. The 502 looks like a nice piece of kit.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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GUIs should effectively be finite state machines and people expect them to operate that way. People understand latency and get used to it; it happened on mainframes and other terminal applications and people memorize the state machine and can tab and type through an interface at high throughput anyway. One of the most frustrating experiences is related to the OP; reflow in browsers as new elements load making it impo…

I remember the time (10 years ago?) where you could go to google webpage and start typing your search immediately. Then one day I got my typing deleted once the page finished loading. I thought Google would quickly fix this, but soon realized that this kind of annoying asynchronous behavior was becoming a new normal for a lot of GUIs. I have a rule in my GUIs to only show up something when it’s consistent and usable:…

You can thank things like auto-suggest for this as well.

I remember the first time I encountered the epiphany that "woah, typing too fast can break my textbox/inputs" and coming to the realization that in order to accommodate the faster users you often have to be very careful thinking out your UI flow.

Hence why I hate UI's. Sometimes feels like they are nothing more than a fight between me and another developer.

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