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Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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The lies are 100% of the reason the capital riot happened, so yes, they do need to stop. Fox News lies every single day. What do we expect from a population of people that only hear these lies, day in and day out? They're going to react just like they did on 1/6.

I sometimes wonder how I would feel if my deliberate lies caused so many deaths.

Maybe the profit would make up for the pain - or one could indulge in a fantasy that the destruction would ultimately improve the human condition.

If my illusions were broken - even for a second - I would certainly die of shame.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Also from the original article: "On November 5, 2020, Twitter permanently suspended Bannon after he called for Dr Anthony Fauci to be beheaded in an episode." It's good they finally pulled the trigger, but considering that Steven Bannon has been constantly putting oil to the fire on every single channel available, that point was very certainly much earlier.

I've seen the term "permanently suspended" several times already. Not a native speaker, could someone please explain to me the difference between that and "banned"?

To me, "suspending" sounds like something you do to accounts, and "banning" sounds more like something you do to people. In practice they're often interchangeable.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also from the original article: "On November 5, 2020, Twitter permanently suspended Bannon after he called for Dr Anthony Fauci to be beheaded in an episode." It's good they finally pulled the trigger, but considering that Steven Bannon has been constantly putting oil to the fire on every single channel available, that point was very certainly much earlier.

I've seen the term "permanently suspended" several times already. Not a native speaker, could someone please explain to me the difference between that and "banned"?

The best I can figure it is this: 'suspended' has a temporary sense, 'banned' has a permanent sense. While 'permanently banned' is a tautology, 'permanently suspended' is an oxymoron.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/suspended

suspended = Caused to stop for a while; interrupted or delayed.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/banned

banned = Forbidden; not allowed.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/oxymoron

oxymoron = A figure of speech in which two words or phrases with opposing meanings are used together intentionally for effect.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tautology

tautology = Redundant use of words

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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This "reality" thing you're talking about is not singular. Easiest illustration is that Rittenhouse fellow, a brave-ish kid standing for himself in one reality and a cold-blooded murderer in another.

Rittenhouse, an 17 year old, carried a weapon across state lines to engage in militia activities and shot someone. He was not defending his own house or business. He is a bad guy, and what he did was bad. In the modern world, the state has a monopoly on violence, no roving militias are legitimate uses of force.

In the other reality, nothing you said waived his right to self defence. Law professors are also caught on both sides of this reality rift.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

#715
post #21

The lies are 100% of the reason the capital riot happened, so yes, they do need to stop. Fox News lies every single day. What do we expect from a population of people that only hear these lies, day in and day out? They're going to react just like they did on 1/6.

As a brit, Fox news fascinates me. Because every clip of it I watch is so clearly opinion piece propaganda, they don't even pretend like they're reporting the news Even our "equivalent", the Murdoch owned Sky News channel is nowhere near as bad as Fox news

I agree, but its the same with the left media, the news are so highly politicized and opinionated that when comparing two news stories wouldn't be able to tell they are talking about the same event. One calls the other conspiracy theorists, the other is fake news, and everyone is applauding when their team is censoring the other.

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So, you're telling me the response had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that almost all the 1/6 "protestors" were white, that that was just a coincidence ? You're gonna have to provide more than "could it be," and "perhaps," if you want me to swallow that line.

I was just giving you plausible explanations. But sure it's always easy to say "X" got away with this because of white privilege. I don't think that Mayor Bowser refused to get additional law enforcment because of white privilege.

Well Mayor Bowser tried to get additional law enforcement, but the Whitehouse refused to authorize it.

So I don't think you're arguing in good faith.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This "reality" thing you're talking about is not singular. Easiest illustration is that Rittenhouse fellow, a brave-ish kid standing for himself in one reality and a cold-blooded murderer in another.

Rittenhouse, an 17 year old, carried a weapon across state lines to engage in militia activities and shot someone. He was not defending his own house or business. He is a bad guy, and what he did was bad. In the modern world, the state has a monopoly on violence, no roving militias are legitimate uses of force.

As far as I'm aware Rittenhouse was acting within his legal rights.

Here is a really good summary from someone with two degress in criminal justice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfAz851P8p4

The fact you used the "carried a weapon across state lines" line suggests that you may be consuming biased reports. It's not a crime to carry a weapoon across state lines. He also lived right on the state line and worked in Kenosha. It's not like he drove miles to shoot protestors in some city he has no affiliation to and portraying it like this is dishonest.

He also probably acted within self-defense as is covered in this part of the video I shared: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=648&v=dfAz851P8p4

For the record, I think what he did was reckless and dangerous, but the catalyst to this was the riots and looting. Right or wrong you'll find some people will react like this when they feel their neighbourhoods are under attack. You can't expect one group to be violent without some kind of push back from another. The same problem exists with antifa and BLM (not that these groups are a direct comparison). My point is these groups don't exist in a vaccum, they appear when they believe law enforcement and those in power are not doing a good enough job. You have to go a level deeper and ask why BLM protestors are on the street, and why are people are feeling the need to form militas in the first place? If you ignore the causes these events will continue to occur and likely escalate.

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The headline has important context: “YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel hours after Rudy Giuliani appeared on an episode and blamed the Capitol siege on Democrats” At some point the lies need to stop.

Why do the lies need to stop? Who needs to stop them? By which authority? Who decides what is a lie and what is truth? Who cross-checks them when they're inevitably wrong? By which authority? Simple dismissals like this miss the point. Until there are some good answers to these questions, kneejerk censorship is no solution at all. Stating falsehoods should absolutely not be grounds for censorship, even the private ki…

I understand and broadly sympathise with the sort of ~absolute freedom of speech outlined in the US constitution, but I am completely baffled by this recent push seen here on Hacker News and elsewhere that this freedom should be extended to in effect compel others to publish your speech. This is not in the US constitution, and is in fact completely unconstitutional (1st amendment protects against compelled speech). This almost seems like a push for speech without consequences, that no matter what you say everyone should be forced to provide you with services and support. This would be both unprecedented and also extremely unhealthy for society. It wouldn't even be conservative ideology, as at no point in US history has anything like this been the law, legalising compelled speech would be truly radical and unconservative politics.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Consider this in context: No ban for fighting the wars in Iraq, Libya, Iran, Afghanistan, etc. No ban for torturing people or extraordinary rendition. No ban for mass illegal spying on Americans and lying about it. No ban for droning wedding parties or hospitals. But if you dare to suggest that a political party, that cheated Bernie Sanders out of the nomination and spent the last four years lying about how Trump, th…

I fear we went over the edge this last year, there might not be any way left to speak to the other side now.

And I say that as a French dude.

It is going to end badly for everyone.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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I didn't find anything. I did show that Trump is surprisingly clean. Maybe because of lacking ability, but unusually clean for a president. Cleaner than Biden in case of Ukraine for example, even if Trumps dealings are self-serving. Furthermore Bidens dealings are relevant to the US geopolitical ambitions and the censorship of it was a disgrace for the press. It keeps people uninformed, even if presentation of these…

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jan/09/facebook-p...

politfact is not really a good source. Trump has some financial involvements that should be questioned, but this isn't really enough. Indictment doesn't mean guilty as I believe.

If there had been something, we would have heard about it non-stop.

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