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Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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The headline has important context: “YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel hours after Rudy Giuliani appeared on an episode and blamed the Capitol siege on Democrats” At some point the lies need to stop.

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Do you have a quote from the Young Turks?

With BLM there’s an argument to be made that public policy backed by Republicans (and Democrats) created an environment where blacks are disproportionately targeted and harmed by police without consequence, resulting in the inevitable death of yet another unarmed black man.

With the capital riots, all Democrats did was win an election and every single resulting court case.

Plus the riots during the early days of BLM were stoked by the videotaped suffocation of a black man. No one was fanning the flames. The videotape itself did that.

With the capital riots you have Trump and his “team” manufacturing anger with lies. If Trump put country over ego and conceded, none of this would be happening.

You don’t think Democrats were pissed off when the FL recount was ordered to stop and Gore lost by 537 votes? Gore could have easily seized that moment to create anger and perpetuate violence, but that’s not the kind of country we want to live in.

Plus, it’s not like these bans are coming preemptively. Companies are sensitive now because people have died and political leaders have been targeted.

If after the Young Turks comments you had targeted political attacks on Republicans, then I can see your point. But for me the capital riots are far worse because they’re being actively exacerbated with the intent of threatening our democracy.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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post #13

The headline has important context: “YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel hours after Rudy Giuliani appeared on an episode and blamed the Capitol siege on Democrats” At some point the lies need to stop.

Yeah the lying needs to stop. I'm not sure this piecemeal approach will work though, what if some right-winger starts a new social network and we're not able to stop it?

I mean sure with Parler it worked because of the coordinated effort of Apple, Google and Amazon, but can we always count on that?

Wouldn't it be better to have a centralised authority that regulates these things, with the legal authority to shut down any service that broadcasts lies and evil things? Like a Ministry of Truth.

To avoid people lying to each other in private conversations, I think it would be best if messaging services would also fall under their control, how else could we stop people from texting conservative propaganda to their friends?

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The investigation found nothing. A producer on CNN event admitted it was fake and that they are doing it for views. https://www.valleynewslive.com/content/news/Video-shows-CNN-... Seems like they are lying wouldn’t you say?

I'm confused about what you're talking about. The Mueller Report didn't "find nothing." If you're unaware of this, you can read about it here: https://www.commoncause.org/resource/read-the-mueller-report... It only didn't end in legal action against Trump because of the procedural issues related to bringing charges against a sitting president. Barr made that decision, and chose to protect Trump. Your video (apparentl…

I didn't find anything. I did show that Trump is surprisingly clean. Maybe because of lacking ability, but unusually clean for a president. Cleaner than Biden in case of Ukraine for example, even if Trumps dealings are self-serving.

Furthermore Bidens dealings are relevant to the US geopolitical ambitions and the censorship of it was a disgrace for the press. It keeps people uninformed, even if presentation of these issues is difficult for any news network.

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Do you believe Fox News should be banned/censored? What about CNN? They are as biased as Fox News.

Is it censorship of you u add consequences to lying?

If lying was illegal the entire political system would implode. What if you punished Bush and Blair for their lies about "weapons of mass destruction"? How would that look? Of course you need to allow the good guys to lie, when they are working for good causes like bombing third world countries.

You can't very well let the fickle populace decide such important things without a little nudging.

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It's just a numbers game, there's more Dems here (probably 4:1 given the industry demographic) and so you lose the popularity contest on a topic like this which stokes tribal sentiments.

Maybe. But there’s also been a bipartisan rebuke of Trump and his gang’s tactics.

For many Trump’s breaking of norms was funny, admirable or simply inept.

But when you play with fire (like telling people a fair election was in fact stolen) and people die, it’s not funny anymore.

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The lies are 100% of the reason the capital riot happened, so yes, they do need to stop. Fox News lies every single day. What do we expect from a population of people that only hear these lies, day in and day out? They're going to react just like they did on 1/6.

Only unbiased, truthful sources like CNN should be allowed, right?

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That's an answer to a question I didn't ask though, because it was obvious. Is sedition illegal? Should it be? When did the consensus arise, if it did? The historical laws against sedition are not generally presented in a good light, in school, from what I can tell. I'm not questioning whether the attack on the Capitol was problematic, but why sedition is the go-to term. I feel like there's an echo of the awkward ter…

Sedition and treason are two different but related concepts/offenses. Sedition is plotting to overthrow the government or encouraging other people to do so. Treason is waging war against the country or helping a war-time enemy. Both can be federal crimes. And a seditious conspiracy can potentially lead to an act of treason if the plot is undertaken. Here is the law against seditious conspiracy https://www.law.cornell…

Based on this definition (and ignoring others such as enumerated duties) the Congress has been involved with seditious conspiracy whenever they block passage of a bill. However, since that is part of the job, it's ok. What is NOT ok is for elected officials to incite dissent and encourage blockage of government functions... which many Democrats have been doing in the same way Trump did (via Twitter) for longer than we have had Trump. And which also let to riots with violence, along with occupying and/or destruction of federal and state buildings and property. And encouraged - praised! - by the very politicians crying about it today.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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The lies are 100% of the reason the capital riot happened, so yes, they do need to stop. Fox News lies every single day. What do we expect from a population of people that only hear these lies, day in and day out? They're going to react just like they did on 1/6.

Only unbiased, truthful sources like CNN should be allowed, right?

and this is how russian psyops win: people either stop believing anything or call for permanent free for all disguised as free speech.

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You can sue for defamation. We need similar laws for politicians (yellow cake WMD claims) and news media (Fox News blatant lies) where the people responsible are legally liable for what they say if they can't prove the veracity of their claims in court and/or if what they say turns out to be fabricated. Jail time is a must in this case. You can't have free speech without honest speech.

Most of my friends and myself who became Trump supporters entered this area after feminist issues, investigating them and finding out they were spreading lies on national TV, in a discourse that easily passed thresholds of direct incitation to hate. In national newspapers and TV. Is it time for co-de-escalation? Would one be ready to get rid of men-hating on TV as part of getting rid of political lies? As long as the…

And you wonder why people hate you? Feminism is about equality. BLM is about equality. They are not the people. They are ideas and ideals. The people who do or don't support them should not influence your opinion of the idea itself. If you don't treat people how you want to be treated you are a hypocrite.

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But they didn't and that is all that matters here.

But they did: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/white-hous...

Looks like the police did their jobs (for once).
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