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GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by phendrenad2 »

zapzupnz wrote: post #84

On macOS, when you drag a file into an Open or Save panel, the panel’s current directory switches to the dragged file’s containing directory and highlights that dragged file. On Windows, when you drag a file into an Open or Save panel, the dragged file is moved from its original location to the panel’s current directory. It is a destructive action! That may be one little thing but it’s part of a whole number of reaso…

See you've been conditioned to think that some file views are different from others. On Windows, a file viewer is a file viewer is a file viewer. So yes, dragging a file from one file viewer (windows explorer) to another one (which happens to be inside a file save/open dialog) is a move action. I love this and wouldn't have it any other way. Although I agree it should be a setting. Although perhaps Apple has patented it. Gotta always remember that GUI patents are a thing.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by kworker »

eznzt wrote: post #276
jdright wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, and Gnome is in part responsible for a lot of "desktop" issues with linux. Distros must switch to KDE by default to help eliminate part of this stigma. KDE is so amazingly good that there is no excuse to keep using Gnome.

My personal opinion is that KDE is less polished, more bloated (in terms of features and options), and slower than GNOME.

If you use it with every basic extension, like Kubuntu's default setup, then it's really bloated (Akonadi and MySQL is a dependency for KMail), but thankfully it's highly modular and enough fast for my taste.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by phendrenad2 »

apricot wrote: post #132
skynet-9000 wrote: post #108

How about when you try to save a file, so you choose File Save As, change the directory, and then try to start typing the filename and it starts searching (recursively!) instead of letting you type your new filename? Even better (not), then it lands on the first matching search item and makes the filename that filename?

That insane bug was reported many times, and every time the developers reply that they won't fix it, it's our workflow that's broken. Are we sure GNOME developers aren't some kind of agents provocateurs working against free software?

I mean, their name is Red Hat...

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by pjmlp »

int_19h wrote: post #442
cycloptic wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please do not spread these unfounded conspiracy theories. If you are a developer and you don't agree with direction changes, you don't have to work on them, you can work in the direction of your choosing. AFAIK there are numerous forks of GNOME over the years that are still going.

The problem is that GNOME is not just a DE. By virtue of being a project that's used by RedHat and Ubuntu, it's the closest thing to the standard DE that desktop Linux has at the moment. Worse yet, its developers consciously make design decisions that make it hard to write applications that play well with GNOME without taking a dependency on it - their take on it seems to be that GNOME is a platform , and their main…

Plus Gtk gets picked by several cross platform runtimes, e.g. Java, Uno, Xamarin, wxWidgets, as the "official" UI on Linux.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by wander_homer »

Spivak wrote: post #407
still_grokking wrote: post #243

As a KDE user I wouldn't care what the Gnome people do if their BS wouldn't affect me. But it does, and it's annoying! They refuse since over a decade to implement some generic way to open the file-picker native to the running DE. They force their garbage usability on everybody, even people that would prefer not to use "anything Gnome". Same issue with CSDs, by the way. Like I said: They can have their broken stuff a…

You can actually fix that! Set GTK_USE_PORTAL=1 in your environment and then basically all your GTK apps will use the platform file picker.

No, the GTK application needs to explicitly add support for that feature, by using the newer GtkFileChooserNative API, introduced in GTK 3.20, instead of the older and more extensive GtkFileChooser API. In my experience it's still a complete hit and miss whether a GTK application supports native dialogs and of course you actually might loose some features with it, since the new API doesn't support everything of the old one.

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by luxcem »

Zardoz84 wrote: post #479

What I find more a pain in the ass of the GtkFileChooser, it's that I can't type the path. It's very annoying, when you need to jump to a path that you have on the clipboard and you can't, and you are forced to navigate to these path because the removed a simple text field to puth the path. The equivalent from QT/KDE does this far better. It allows the user to switch from the graphical "user friendly" path representa…

I think you can enter a path by pressing "Ctrl+l"

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by efreak »

vetinari wrote: post #236
heavyset_go wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can make the System Tray show no icons unless it is invoked to deal with applications that behave poorly. System trays exist on most platforms, and apps, especially cross-platform apps, will sometimes assume that they exist. I prefer to use a system that can handle those apps.

It was a crutch when windows 95 introduced it, and it is still a crutch today. I prefer when applications do not assume that it is available at all; if they do, they are broken. Applications, that force themselves on the user upon startup, then sit in the systray and are resisting the user that is trying to close them are outright black UI pattern.

LastPass is especially horrible at this. I have it configured _not_ to start with windows because I don't want it running in the background. Whenever I need to open it, I launch it, copy the password to the clipboard and paste it into whatever program, and click the X or hit alt-f4 to close it. Unfortunately, it does not close. It minimizes itself to the system tray, and gives me a helpful notification to let me know that my attempt to close it has failed. In order to close it, I must right click the tray icon, at which point the icon moves to hide itself in the hidden tray icons due to a bug in either LastPass or more likely in Windows itself. So now I have to click the overflow menu on the tray and right-click the icon again to close it. Finally LastPass is closed.

Now, due to another bug in Windows, the overflow menu has remained open and must be manually closed. The third bug here is when I alt-tab out of LastPass, it doesn't take me back to the most recent application; instead it dumps me on the desktop or some other program at random (why is the desktop even there in the alt-tab menu?)

Re: GNOME has no thumbnails in the file picker and my toilets are blocked

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Post by fartcannon »

formerly_proven wrote: post #184
snvzz wrote: post #27

There's more serious reasons this file picker is broken. Here's a trivial to reproduce and obvious issue that's been there for several years now: 1. Open a directory that loads slowly (e.g. one with thousands of files on a smb3 mount) 2. While the list is loading, select a file (but do not open it) 3. Wait for the whole list to load Once the list finishes loading, the file on the very top of the list gets automatical…

Picking directories has been pretty broken forever as well. Say you start in ~/Downloads/foo and want to store the file in ~/Downloads, then navigating up will have "foo" selected, with usually no blank space to un-select (so you'd need to do ctrl+click or something to that tune); clicking "Save" (or whatever) will then descend into that directory instead of saving, so just using the mouse, or not using any shortcuts…

Window's UI is not really an upgrade though. All the fake roots (why the heck is the Desktop the root) and the forced broken navigation therein, the removal of up so you have to navigate everything like webpages, treating some folders like databases and others with duplicate names like standard folders, hiding extensions, and the 'My Computer' naming madness.

KDE is the best desktop experience available.

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