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Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by nostromo »

jv22222 wrote: post #141
nostromo wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Freedom of speech is a guiding principle that predates the United States, and the first amendment, by a few millennia. And yet every discussion about free speech online contains a few comments about the first amendment’s narrow legal scope. Sure, that’s right, but freedom of speech does not have a narrow legal scope; it’s a much broader concept, and it is global in nature. In almost every case online, the discussion…

My clarification was just to try to bring clarity to the discussion because a lot of times (as seen in the thread) there is some confusion. I’m curious how what you just said translates into real world application? Not trying to argue I am genuinely interested to hear more!

Sure thing, here's a real world application:

Let's say an Amazon warehouse worker speaks with the local newspaper about unsafe work conditions. Amazon decides to fire him for this.

Was this a violation of the first amendment? No.

Was this a violation of the principle of freedom of speech? Maybe.

Saying, "well this wasn't protected by the first amendment, so this is a non-issue" wouldn't be fair. Yes, it's not a first amendment issue, but it's still a freedom of speech issue.

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by substack »

ReactiveJelly wrote: post #128

Checked the FAQ. Downside: It doesn't support Tor and they don't seem to have any plan for that. So it's trusted-friends-only, IPs are always visible. Which is pointless for me, as a person trying to build healthy online friendships from behind Tor. Upside: I was afraid it's a reaction to Parler being deplatformed. And then I thought maybe it was a side-project of Urbit. But looking at the Values page: "No nazis, no…

We (cabal devs) have had many discussions about supporting i2p out of the box and this is a high priority in the project road map.

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by WClayFerguson »

jkepler wrote: post #217
WClayFerguson wrote: post #169

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Trump organized a demonstration. That's the American way of voicing political dissent. If a politician organizes a peaceful rally and violent people show up and do violent things, and you blame the politician for the violence, then I'm curious about something.... Do you hold the Democrats responsible for all the violence of 2020 when we had cities burning down, and the MSM saying things like "Who ever said protests h…

Do you have a source on the priceless paintings not being damaged? I heard otherwise.

Well we know what would've happened if leftists were in the building and the tables were turned. The entire building would be smoldering ruins and the Democrats/MSM would be calling it "Mostly Peaceful"...with a straight face.

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by vmception »

ben0x539 wrote: post #237
dr_kiszonka wrote: post #183

I wish they excluded extremes on both sides of the spectrum. Otherwise, it makes Cabal seem like a Parler for the extreme left. (Maybe it is not; I know nothing about people behind Cabal.)

Why is excluding the far-right a thing associated specifically with the far-left? Would politically moderate people not also want to exclude eg. Nazis?

> Would politically moderate people not also want to exclude eg. Nazis?

They do.

But I would say take a look at dating apps in California, for example, and see just how many people are telling Moderates and Independents to stay the hell away from them.

Being in the middle is great for lobbying because your ideas are bipartisan and nothing else is getting through Congress, but for real life right now, its extremes only.

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by vmception »

torstenvl wrote: post #226
t0astbread wrote: post #220

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Without getting into JK Rowling, a site that has the technical means to but willfully ignores transphobia or homophobia certainly is not "cool".

It isn't transphobia to object to female erasure. Not every women's issue is also a trans women's issue, and it's sexist to insist otherwise.

plenty of transmen that many of us are trying to empower too.........

the non-sexist trans inclusivity movement overlapped with the female inclusivity movement

trans exclusionary feminism is considered radical, its what the R in Terf stands for. It means it doesn't have consensus.

yes, some positions and status will go to males that are transwoman instead of females. I don't think there is any coordination or plot in this to "erase females".

(I feel like this concept is different across English speaking countries, in America the movement has landed on the concept that we have separated sex and gender, so there are two sexes which remains binary: male and female, and there are non-binary genders which includes but it not limited to man and woman designations, and they don't have to match the sex. Sometimes I see people in the UK getting into semantics issues with an American audience, whether they are purposefully being insensitive or not.)

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by ALittleLight »

m1sta_ wrote: post #197
dr_kiszonka wrote: post #183

I wish they excluded extremes on both sides of the spectrum. Otherwise, it makes Cabal seem like a Parler for the extreme left. (Maybe it is not; I know nothing about people behind Cabal.)

Obvious conclusion since everything that isn't far-right is far-left. /s

One problem is that if you're not on the extremes, why do you need a new p2p chat app? If I have mainstream opinions then mainstream apps probably work just fine.

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by appleflaxen »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #229
loceng wrote: post #215

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This is fear speaking, stand up for free speech that isn't inciting violence, racism, etc - like everyone else - and we'll all be safe, and we can all fight against tyranny when it shows itself. There's a nuance to understand as well that these people deplatformed aren't victims: they still have their freedom of speech, just not on these private platforms. It's inconvenient for them, yes, that they depended on them,…

Sounds like you're fundamentally opposed to free speech. Maybe we can coin a new term something like "non-dangerous speech" or "mostly free speech". I'm glad we'll get Apple and Amazon to figure out what dangerous is too.

free speech does not mean free of consequences.

one consequence of objectionable speech is that anyone who gave you a platform rescinds it.

that's what happened here, nothing more nothing less.

I am a zealous advocate for the first amendment, but that doesn't mean I'm going to let a random person advocate violence (or exercise speech which actually led to violence) on my platform.

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by Karunamon »

ALittleLight wrote: post #246
m1sta_ wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obvious conclusion since everything that isn't far-right is far-left. /s

One problem is that if you're not on the extremes, why do you need a new p2p chat app? If I have mainstream opinions then mainstream apps probably work just fine.

There's plenty of reasons to avoid the "mainstream" apps that have nothing to do with your political views. Decentralization, control over your own data, lack of intrusive advertising, informational hygiene, and privacy are good enough reasons by themselves.

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by generalizations »

snowflake_ptr wrote: post #200
ReactiveJelly wrote: post #128

Checked the FAQ. Downside: It doesn't support Tor and they don't seem to have any plan for that. So it's trusted-friends-only, IPs are always visible. Which is pointless for me, as a person trying to build healthy online friendships from behind Tor. Upside: I was afraid it's a reaction to Parler being deplatformed. And then I thought maybe it was a side-project of Urbit. But looking at the Values page: "No nazis, no…

> or anyone friendly with them This is disgusting - it implies that you should pick and choose your friends based on political affiliation, which not only is extremely (and intentionally) divisive, but also provides no room for guiding these individuals back to a more moderate political stance. Without being friends (or at least interacting with) with those who have been ostracized by society, how, exactly, do you pr…

> pick and choose your friends based on political affiliation

I think this is the saddest part of what's been happening recently. We don't need to separate ourselves from people with different viewpoints. I'm lucky enough to be friends with people on the left and the right, but I think that's only because we stay away from politics. In fact, it's something that used to be a Christian ideal - to be able to maintain a courteous friendship with someone you are fundamentally at odds with (See: Song of Roland, Christian & "Saracen" Knights).

It's not often something I see folks right of center doing, but it seems like a ton of people left of center have been distancing themselves from people with whom they disagree too strongly. It's too bad. We need to open up to more discourse, not less.

Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform

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Post by djtriptych »

WClayFerguson wrote: post #106
oftheoaks wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right now it's desktop and terminal only, but there is a lot of interest in web and mobile clients.

If you want the best Web App in the world take my codebase (quanta.wiki) and built on top of it. The whole thing is a simple tree structure, on MongoDB, using a 'path-based' tree so you don't even have to learn a specific relational database structuring, and you can put something else on the back end to replace MongoDB. If you like Java+TypeScript+React then I've given you a 250,000 loc head start.

LOL the best web app in the world according to who?
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