Checked the FAQ. Downside: It doesn't support Tor and they don't seem to have any plan for that. So it's trusted-friends-only, IPs are always visible. Which is pointless for me, as a person trying to build healthy online friendships from behind Tor. Upside: I was afraid it's a reaction to Parler being deplatformed. And then I thought maybe it was a side-project of Urbit. But looking at the Values page: "No nazis, no…
Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform
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Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform
#212Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, it isn't. There's already precedents for what businesses can and cannot prevent you from doing. If, for instance, you think a business should be compelled to bake a cake with a certain message on it, then you can't make the argument that there should be no regulation on how much a business can censor its users. That's not the only example. There's extensive case law that establishes how both governments and busin…
> a business should be compelled to bake a cake with a certain message on it That is a misrepresentation of the case: > Craig and Mullins filed a complaint to the Colorado Civil Rights Commission under the state's public accommodations law, the Colorado Anti-Discrimination Act, which prohibits businesses open to the public from discriminating against their customers on the basis of race, religion, gender, or sexual o…
Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform
#213This site doesn't render properly on mobile. Many of the blocks flow off the screen to the left and right. I was intrigued, but like many projects, the first impression I got was of sloppy development unable to even test one of the most common ways to view their site and it drove me away.
Which browser? Looks fine for me using latest Edge.
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#214It’s incredibly disheartening to see how quickly people are warming to the practice of coordinated top-down gagging of certain individuals and groups. You won’t be so happy to cheer on such behavior and policies when in the future the one silenced turns out to be you. The power to censor should be given solely to the individual to curate their own information diet; it should never belong to the medium itself (whether…
I used to think that way until I learned about the illusory truth effect, which basically states that being exposed to information multiple times makes you more likely to believe it to be true. The consequence of this is that attempting to curate information might "infect" you with ideas that you never wanted in your brain in the first place.
Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform
#215It’s incredibly disheartening to see how quickly people are warming to the practice of coordinated top-down gagging of certain individuals and groups. You won’t be so happy to cheer on such behavior and policies when in the future the one silenced turns out to be you. The power to censor should be given solely to the individual to curate their own information diet; it should never belong to the medium itself (whether…
If your child started saying racist things, would you just let them? I assume not. I assume you would escalate punishment until they understood and behaved with what's appropriate, and if they didn't, you'd probably kick them out of your house once you're legally allowed to if for some reason they've become a terrible person; people won't change until they're ready to or there's an impetus - sometimes, if not most of the time, all it takes is a parent saying you won't get dessert if you don't behave.
Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform
#216It’s incredibly disheartening to see how quickly people are warming to the practice of coordinated top-down gagging of certain individuals and groups. You won’t be so happy to cheer on such behavior and policies when in the future the one silenced turns out to be you. The power to censor should be given solely to the individual to curate their own information diet; it should never belong to the medium itself (whether…
Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform
#217Earlier quoted context omitted.
"BigTech has gone nuclear with censorship" immediately after a coup attempt is a wildly different statement than "there is a long-running political double standard that exists in tech companies when it comes to enforcing their TOS". Should I take take it that you have conceded your previous statement? I would like to complete the discussion on the previous point before moving on to another topic of discussion.
Trump organized a demonstration. That's the American way of voicing political dissent. If a politician organizes a peaceful rally and violent people show up and do violent things, and you blame the politician for the violence, then I'm curious about something.... Do you hold the Democrats responsible for all the violence of 2020 when we had cities burning down, and the MSM saying things like "Who ever said protests h…
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#218Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’d like to address this, since it’s a common retort meant to shutdown discussion on censorship. It’s disingenuous , because “First amendment” is so essential to American culture, that it means both the literal First Amendment to the constitution AND more importantly, the American principle of free expression. Ether you are aware that people are appealing to free expression as a principle, or you are unaware that fre…
> So the legal scope of the literal first amendment doesn’t help the discussion on what people and companies should be doing. If you're going to go down this road, then you must address government compelled speech, and the limits on the control of private property. I've found that the "private corporations are censoring me" crowd, don't want to engage with this obvious outcome, or pay lip service by saying, "Make [in…
Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform
#219Earlier quoted context omitted.
when the "speech" consists of active planning of mass violence it's obviously no longer protected. The whole point of Parler is to be a safe haven for speech that has already been banned elsewhere, for the same reason. It was doomed from the start.
If you really believe the social media purge is about stopping violence then you've been hoodwinked. People who haven been watching this censorship battle for years know this is purely about taking down political adversaries.
Re: Cabal: A peer-to-peer, off-grid, community-first, hackable chat platform
#220Checked the FAQ. Downside: It doesn't support Tor and they don't seem to have any plan for that. So it's trusted-friends-only, IPs are always visible. Which is pointless for me, as a person trying to build healthy online friendships from behind Tor. Upside: I was afraid it's a reaction to Parler being deplatformed. And then I thought maybe it was a side-project of Urbit. But looking at the Values page: "No nazis, no…
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