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Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by _qwfv » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 1:56 AM UTC

shripadk wrote: post #33

philosopher1234 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, there will be a short boost to parler and bannon, and then a long deafening silence. These bans will be effective.

It won't be. These bans and policies have been going on for a really long time. It is just hitting the US now. It has been happening in India for far too long. Big Tech monopoly has gone unchecked all this while. At least I am happy to see my fellow Indians uninstalling WhatsApp and moving to Signal. The more such alternative services the better. This stronghold of Big Tech on what internet should be has to end and i…

Research actually backs up that deplatforming does reduce audience sizes for an outlet.

Which makes sense of you believe that some listeners will simply not have the interest in jumping over to a new platform. Repeat several times and with every platform shift the audience reduces.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by tasogare » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 1:56 AM UTC

josephorjoe wrote: post #24

tpmx wrote: post #2

I'm not even in the US, but all of this banning makes me really curious about what's being banned and why. Something that some of you may have missed: This banning thing already moved into the infrastructure/cloud services layer (AWS): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25707959

what’s being banned is systematic destruction of people’s willingness to believe facts in order to support a world view that is inconsistent with facts. why it is being banned is that it has convinced people to attack the government because they believe the government has done things (for example, “stealing elections”) that it has not done. big tech has apparently decided that they do not want to be blamed when the g…

> what’s being banned is systematic destruction of people’s willingness to believe facts in order to support a world view that is inconsistent with facts.

If that where the case, we would see banning of gender studies and a few more ideas pushed by the left, which is clearly not what’s happening.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by josephorjoe » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 1:57 AM UTC

olah_1 wrote: post #45

josephorjoe wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what’s being banned is systematic destruction of people’s willingness to believe facts in order to support a world view that is inconsistent with facts. why it is being banned is that it has convinced people to attack the government because they believe the government has done things (for example, “stealing elections”) that it has not done. big tech has apparently decided that they do not want to be blamed when the g…

Violent riots have happened many times based on media lies. That part is not novel.

agreed. nothing novel about people lying to convince other people to do something.

what’s novel is the centralized nature of social media (in terms of # of people reached from a single source) and the fact that some incredibly wealthy companies control these sources and face an existential risk if their platforms are used to create enough civil unrest that whoever ends up controlling the government is convinced that these companies are too dangerous to leave unregulated.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by drogon2020 » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 1:58 AM UTC

avalys wrote: post #9

Bannon said on this podcast that he would mount Anthony Fauci and Christopher Wray’s “heads on pikes” outside the White House as a “warning to other bureaucrats.” This was a few months ago. I presume he has been saying similar things since then. For years, the defense of these assholes has been “Oh, that’s just rhetoric, it’s not meant to be taken literally.” Well, we’ve just seen what happens when it gets taken lite…

It’s a figure of speech. Grow up.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by hadrien01 » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 1:58 AM UTC

FFRefresh wrote: post #36

e40 wrote: post #21

The lies are 100% of the reason the capital riot happened, so yes, they do need to stop. Fox News lies every single day. What do we expect from a population of people that only hear these lies, day in and day out? They're going to react just like they did on 1/6.

What's your proposal for how Fox News should be handled, given they "lie every single day"? Should Fox News have their licenses removed, and be taken off the air & internet?

In the UK, Fox News had to cease broadcasting because it had breached multiple times due impartiality rules[0]. In the US, some are advocating for a return of the fairness doctrine.

[0] https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/fox-news-stops-airing...

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by josephorjoe » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 1:58 AM UTC

tasogare wrote: post #52

josephorjoe wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what’s being banned is systematic destruction of people’s willingness to believe facts in order to support a world view that is inconsistent with facts. why it is being banned is that it has convinced people to attack the government because they believe the government has done things (for example, “stealing elections”) that it has not done. big tech has apparently decided that they do not want to be blamed when the g…

> what’s being banned is systematic destruction of people’s willingness to believe facts in order to support a world view that is inconsistent with facts. If that where the case, we would see banning of gender studies and a few more ideas pushed by the left, which is clearly not what’s happening.

you are ignoring the “why”.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by Jtsummers » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 1:58 AM UTC

SoSoRoCoCo wrote: post #31

brighton36 wrote: post #23

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These are opinions though. It may be untrue, but you're going to find yourself with a ministry of truth. "Who decides" who gets charged with the crime. These opinions can be entertained. After all, most trump supporters are clearly enraged by democrats.

> These are opinions though Help me out here, Hacker News. This guy thinks: "Democrats attacked the capital", is an opinion. How do we even talk to this person?

You can't. People making absurdist statements like that and claiming them as "opinions" when someone rebuts them are the principle reason I stopped looking at social media sites (and I barely looked at it before then). If someone says, "The sun didn't rise today" and everyone else points out the sun in the sky, and their reply is "Well, that's, like, your opinion, man", it's safe to ignore them. Don't engage because they have tacitly admitted to being an unreasonable, delusional individual.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by drogon2020 » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 1:59 AM UTC

FFRefresh wrote: post #36

e40 wrote: post #21

The lies are 100% of the reason the capital riot happened, so yes, they do need to stop. Fox News lies every single day. What do we expect from a population of people that only hear these lies, day in and day out? They're going to react just like they did on 1/6.

What's your proposal for how Fox News should be handled, given they "lie every single day"? Should Fox News have their licenses removed, and be taken off the air & internet?

So do all the news networks. What’s your plan for that.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by bra-ket » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 2:00 AM UTC

garbagetime wrote: post #22

csa wrote: post #18

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[Note: Trying to present this as factually as possible.] According to what the companies say: - The President incited some people last week to engage in violent behavior at and towards Congress. - There is evidence that further violence is being planned via a variety of platforms. - The platforms are attempting to limit their exposure to facilitating such actions. Some people think that the companies have ulterior mo…

Here's an important question: would it be a good thing or a bad thing if it was very difficult to make plans involving violence on the internet?

there's a good precedent, just send everyone guilty of thoughtcrimes to Gulag, problem solved.

Re: YouTube bans Steve Bannon's podcast channel

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Post by drogon2020 » Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 2:02 AM UTC

SoSoRoCoCo wrote: post #31

brighton36 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are opinions though. It may be untrue, but you're going to find yourself with a ministry of truth. "Who decides" who gets charged with the crime. These opinions can be entertained. After all, most trump supporters are clearly enraged by democrats.

> These are opinions though Help me out here, Hacker News. This guy thinks: "Democrats attacked the capital", is an opinion. How do we even talk to this person?

Who claimed democrats attacked the capitol?